Maat, I wish you well in your endeavor... though it seems unlikely to change any minds I find a different element of the bible narrative to be unpalatable We are supposed to start with the foundational belief that "GOD" is all knowing, all powerful But then, what we see described in the holy book is a god who keeps re-inventing his creation and his relationships with humans.... as if HE really did not know what he was doing and was experimentally trying to figure things out through various iterations. Such is not the work of an all knowing being. The cliche religious response would be: "we cannot know or understand the ways of the lord...". Well ok, lets leave it at that..., if there is a god, we cannot understand God... and let's stop pretending otherwise
Supposedly, Moses is giving this account from god. He states in both chapters that god said to load these animals and birds by these numbers. Being contrary of each other, they are god given contradictions, assuming a perfect god inspired them.
Where does it say that? I seem to recall the attribution of these books to Moses is a later addition. But maybe you're talking about something else.
I'm hoping honest readers will see the clear mistakes/contradictions/flaws that should not exist in a book that is claimed to be of a perfect god. If most are like I used to be they argue based on what they were told from the pulpit and not directly from the book.
I'm assuming the first five books(Torah)are written by Moses. Scholars may disagree now. But, this does not matter. The Bible is claimed to be completely inspired from the abrahamic god.
Is read as 'I want at least one pair of every animal so that every species can reproduce and I want additional pairs of specific species I deem are important or that need additional back up for whatever reason.'
It's actually a matter of respect. If you are going to talk to what might be your creator , it would make sense to start with a premise of respect for an entity that made you. It's not going to turn you into a zombie.
I look at the Bible as Jewish folklore. Believing it is a god with no evidence would make one a zombie.
No. I'm saying that the Bible communicates that message through those two passages. They don't contradict. They work together.
huh... did you randomly pick verses that seems to not sit well within you or do you have sincere questions as to why God said such things? There are web sites dedicated to Bible verses that seem to prove God contradictory or, as you put it, almost senile... But just to help clarify your concern: Genesis 1:20 "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven." Genesis 1:24 "And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so." Genesis 1:25 "And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good." Waters with its moving creature = 1 fowls that fly =2 Earth with living creatures = 3 Genesis 6:19-20 "...two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive." Genesis 7:2-3 2 Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven pairs of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth. Leviticus 11:8 "Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you." If one knows which is 'unclean' then all else would fall into the 'clean' category. 7 pairs = is for the clean. 1 pair = is for the unclean also 7 pairs of ALL birds. Unclean and Clean So if God had not given these specific 'commands' Noah would not have known how many of which kinds to bring into the ark. Keep in mind that these animals, which were taken onto the Ark, had to repopulate the whole world again after the flood waters were taken away... The moving creatures within the water could have survived in the flood naturally. The Earth was flooded, not the entire planet. Genesis 1:9-10 "And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good." Genesis 7:17 "And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth." Job 26:7 "He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing." Isaiah 45:18 "For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else." Psalm 95:5 "The sea is his, and he made it: and his hands formed the dry land." Amos 4:13 "For, lo, he that formeth the mountains, and createth the wind,..." I hope this helps with your question. But most IMPORTANTLY of All, besides genealogy or other things, is to always KEEP GOD CLOSE TO YOU AND IF POSSIBLE TO THE ONES YOU LOVE. Job 41:7 "They are joined one to another, they stick together, that they cannot be sundered."
Only the TEN COMMANDMENTS are the word of God, the rest are written by men. And men are fallible. Like Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John all seeing the story of Jesus....they all saw it from THEIR perspective, so they contradict each other. And Paul, who was never disciple, contradicts Jesus...for instance, Jesus said if a man is hungry feed him, if he is thirsty give him drink. But Paul said if a man doesn't work, don't feed him. A man can not work without being fed. There were also eight other disciples, plus Marry that have writings that were banned from the bible. Yet Paul, who killed Christians has more writings that anyone, because the Priests at Nicea wanted to promote Paul's perspective, and deny women's perspective, and also many of the other disciples. Just think about Enoch....He was so close to God that he was taken up to heaven in a fiery chariot. And the priests at Nicea banned his book from the bible. And Melchizedek was the high priest of God, of which Jesus was a priest after his order. Yet the priests at Nicea only allow two mentions of him. The agenda of the priests at Nicea was to give the church and Constantine power over the masses. That's why Jesus called them "sons of vipers" that not only do not enter the gate, but also deny the masses entry. The DEAD SEA SCROLLS provide a whole new perspective of the truth. Not that it's the whole truth, because no one can contain the whole truth, which is God. In the bible, it says that God created everything that exists....that includes evil. For if God didn't create it, something else did. Which means it's out of God's control. God also created all the religions, and there are certain truths in all of them. God created the Muslims through Abraham, as well as the Jews and Christians. All three worship the God of Abraham. It's the perspectives of humans that keep them from seeing the truth. If you hold on to your beliefs, you can't see the truth. It doesn't matter what anyone believes, only the truth matters, everything else is a waste of time. A distraction from the truth. Isaiah 45:7 "I make peace and create evil.
When was Jesus crucified? Mark 15:25 "And it was the third hour, and they crucified him." vs. John 19:14-15 "And about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! But they cried out . . . crucify him." It is an ad hoc defense to claim that there are two methods of reckoning time here. It has never been shown that this is the case. https://ffrf.org/legacy/books/lfif/?t=contra
God said, "Thou shall not kill." Then tells the Hebrews to go to the land of milk and honey, and kill all the Hittites and steal their land. And the whole world has had to deal with this ever since. https://infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/contradictions.html
Again, you have not disputed the contradiction. 6 say two of "every" creature and birds. 7 says 7 of clean 2 of unclean and 7 of birds. This is a clear contradiction. The reason there are so many flaws, absurdities and contradictions is because these are writings by men and not a god.
I have a problem with the bible under the pretext that it is "the" words of a perfect God. I could careless about the books flaws as folklore. For it to be divine, it should not have these contradictions/flaws/absurdities.
If the bible is unreliable as history, which it is, then how would you know the TC's are of this God?
Another discrepancy in the scriptures is the child accounts between Luke 2 and Mathew chapter 2. We are told in Mathew that the child Jesus is visited by the Magi(three kings) while in a house. Joseph is warned in a dream to flee to Egypt so to protect Jesus from King Herod. There is never any mention of them coming from Nazareth. I suggest for clarity that you go read both chapters in full. 11 On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh. 13 When they had gone, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream. “Get up,” he said, “take the child and his mother and escape to Egypt. Stay there until I tell you, for Herod is going to search for the child to kill him. Later, after Herods death, Joseph is told to take Jesus back to Judah. In fear of Herods son, he decides to go to Nazareth in Gallilee. 21 So he got up, took the child and his mother and went to the land of Israel. 22 But when he heard that Archelaus was reigning in Judea in place of his father Herod, he was afraid to go there. Having been warned in a dream, he withdrew to the district of Galilee, 23 and he went and lived in a town called Nazareth. So was fulfilled what was said through the prophets, that he would be called a Nazarene. Now, in Luke, we see the traditional birth story where Joseph takes Mary to Bethlehem while she is pregnant. She has Jesus, they have him circumsized and after about a month they head back to Nazareth. It is debated as to the age of Jesus in Mathew and his age in Luke. What does not make sense is that Luke would have him living in Nazareth before Herods death with no worry of death, while Mathew has them moving to Nazareth after Herods death. This does not add up. 4 So Joseph also went up from the town of Nazareth in Galilee to Judea, to Bethlehem the town of David, because he belonged to the house and line of David. 5 He went there to register with Mary, who was pledged to be married to him and was expecting a child. 6 While they were there, the time came for the baby to be born, 7 and she gave birth to her firstborn, a son. She wrapped him in cloths and placed him in a manger, because there was no guest room available for them. 39 When Joseph and Mary had done everything required by the Law of the Lord, they returned to Galilee to their own town of Nazareth.40 And the child grew and became strong; he was filled with wisdom, and the grace of God was on him. Clearly, these stories contradict each other. Added is the fact that in Luke Jesus is born during the reign of Quirinius governor of Syria. Census of Quirinius The Census of Quirinius was a census of Judaea taken by Publius Sulpicius Quirinius, Roman governor of Syria, upon the imposition of direct Roman rule in 6 CE.[1] The Jewish historian Josephus portrays the annexation and census as the cause of an uprising which later became identified with the Zealot movement. The author of the Gospel of Luke uses it as the narrative means to establish when Jesus was born in Bethlehem (Luke 2:1-5),[2] but places the census within the reign of Herod the Great, who died 10 years earlier in 4 BCE.[3] No satisfactory explanation has been put forward to resolve the contradiction,[4] and most scholars think that the author of the gospel made a mistake. What we have here is another blunder in the book claimed to be gods perfect word. As folklore, this descrepency makes sense, when written by men.
