NATO FILM: Forest Brothers – Fight for the Baltics

You have a link to the documents with the orders from Soviet high commanders to shoot anyone who tries to cross the line? Or this is just your ?

 

No, Soviet Union did not collapsed because of the war in Afghanistan.

 

They were bankrupted and lost in astan.

 

Lol, Soviets probably had upwards of 100000 troops on east German soil vis, it's govt was a stoolie for the Kremlin....as was the other WP, you do the math.

 

My Great Grandmother lived in Gdansk, Poland and was picked up and shipped to a concentration camp and put to death. Her crime? She was a Gypsy. I haven't seen any NATO countries committing genocide.

 

Then perhaps you should clarify which "American crimes": you're referring to.

Were the Soviets not Russian?? Certainly Russia existed before the 'Revolution" but it was backward then as well, with few human rights.

Is it your understanding that no Russian troops murdered anyone in Eastern Europe during the Cold War? You're going to have a lot of surprises if you start reading Russian history not authorized by the State. You might start with the Hungarian Revolution, but there are scores of other examples.

What were the Russians doing there anyway? Why weren't they at home minding their bankrupt economy?

The Russians have been no better than fascists anyway, and often worse.. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...al-war-crime-Russia-Germany-tried-ignore.html

 

The Americans saved the German people - the Russians enslaved them.

 

What Nato does is hidden from the American people. In the past it was the investigative journalists who revealed what was going on. Today the news outlets are owned by the same corporations and people, and if anyone dares write anything differing from the story the editors are told to present, that writer has knowingly destroyed his career.

The old investigative journalists such as the Pulitzer Prize winner Seymour Hersch have been forced to go to foreign countries to have their investigations published. As an example of Nato's evil, we need not go further than the destruction of Libya.

The following was revealed in Hillary's e-mails by Wikileaks:

"...the truly explosive confirmations contained in the new emails: admissions of rebel war crimes, special ops trainers inside Libya from nearly the start of protests, Al Qaeda embedded in the U.S. backed opposition, Western nations jockeying for access to Libyan oil, the nefarious origins of the absurd Viagra mass rape claim, and concern over Gaddafi’s gold and silver reserves threatening European currency..."

"...Black Libyans were commonly branded as “foreign mercenaries” by the rebel opposition for their perceived general loyalty to Gaddafi as a community and subjected to torture, executions, and their towns “liberated” by ethnic cleansing. This is demonstrated in the most well-documented example of Tawergha, an entire town of 30,000 black and “dark-skinned” Libyans which vanished by August 2011 after its takeover by NATO-backed NTC Misratan brigades...."

http://theduran.com/jimmy-dore-exposes-natos-dark-skinned-ethnic-cleansing-campaign-libya-video/​

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They killed commies for mommie, killed those commies away.

Does this surprise you?

 

No commie see's the problem.

 

I already gave two examples- the crimes in Vietnam done by US army and crimes of US during WW2 in Europe and Japan. Soviets and Russia - it is two different things. When people talk about Soviets they talk about political organization, not about the people and a country as a whole. USSR contianed many republics, where there were russians, belorussians, ukranians, kazakhs ett who were the hostages of experiment of building socialism society.
What are US troops are doing in EU today? While Soviet military troops were withdrawn from Germany and other eastern european countries - US still occupy Europe.
Your comparison of Russians with facsicts is BS. Only an idiot can do that. So go to hell!

 

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Even if that were true it hardly makes NATO forces the equivalent of Nazis. And because NATO is formed from several western countries any of those countries involved in any wrongdoing should be identified, just as the Dutch were in Srebrenica.

This appears to be very poor quality propaganda.

 

You just said "Vietnam" without being specific and not mentioning the Chinese and Russian involvement in that area also.

Again, no mention of any specific crimes.

All we need do is watch the old parades of the|Soviet Troops with Russians standing on the sidelines cheering them on. It is impossible to disassociate the USSR from Russia.

Not a great deal. But they've been invited by the host democracies and can be told to leave at any time.

The US is NOT occupying Europe so where you learned this is a mystery.

|I was being kind. In fact they were worse than the Fascists. https://www.amazon.com/Black-Book-Communism-Crimes-Repression/dp/0674076087[/QUOTE]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo#Casualty_estimates
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki

 

Because you seem against the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki during the war does not make them war crimes. Other countries also used bombs on the cities of their adversaries. Those bombs ended the war much sooner, thus preventing far more Allied lives from being lost.

The real lesson learned from all of this is not to attack the US, well learned by some because Japan has been a peaceful country ever since, as has Germany. .

 

This again!!? It brought about the quick end to the war in the Pacific,as unfortunate as it was, ...besides what about the holodomor? Ohhh, yes according to "you", it never happened and all lies, meant to discredit "motherland"???

 

Many if them were never taught the truth and it's a history that is difficult to understand for anyone living there. Germans have had the same problem for at least a generation after the war but the Russians have yet to do any soul searching, or indeed admit to any wrongs.

They know their neighbors to be kind, generous people who could not possibly have carried out the atrocities assigned to them, with the Germans and Italians feeling the same way initially. The latter two countries have largely come to terms with their past but the Russians, and many of their Allies, are still in the denial stage.

 

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All your reference to the books and yellow papers- it is BS propaganda. These books are written by morons who get paid for publishing this BS.
You want specific American crimes? Ok. Here is one from many.
From 13 to 15 February 1945, American heavy bombers dropped 2,400 tons of high explosives and 1,500 tons of incendiary bombs onto the ancient cathedral city of Dresden. In just a few hours, around 25,000 to 35,000 civilians were blown up or incinerated. The city had no military significance, neverthelss it was completely destroyed and many people were killed. This is a crime. On the other side we have Soviet Army, that did the best to save Polish city Krakow which was supposed to be blown up by Germans. For this, by the way, the citizens of Krakow are grateful to Soviet soldiers, as well as grateful for liberation of concentration camp Osvencim, which is not far away from Krakow. Interestingly, americans very consistent in the way they do their crimes: in the same way Belgrad was bombed to the grounds in 1999. Typical Nazi approach.
US troops are in Europe since WW2 and it is not a big deal? No, it is a big deal. What the hell they are doing there after Warsaw pact was dissolved? They should have got out from Europe as soon as Soviet Army was withdrawn from East Europe. But they continue to occupy pretending that they were asked to stay. In the same way I can say that Soviet army was asked to stay in Eastern Europe.
If you can't differentiate between USSR and Russia, that is your problem.

 

With a lot of crimes done by the US, it is not you who can teach Russians how should they behave.

 

In fact the veracity of The Black Book of Communism has been verified by experts and though no expert myself I've discussed this sublect with victims of the Communist atrocities with the latest conversation taking place just two days ago. You've obviously not read anything about it but instead respond with typical knee jerk deniability. The Germans did the same at first also, never really believing the crimes their countrymen committed but the evidence was just overwhelming and they learned to accept it..

It's still a source of controversy today with many excuses being made. No doubt the hatred for the Nazis was a factor in the Allied bombing of Dresden and it seems it should not have happened.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre You think the Polish people don't remember the Russian atrocities during WWII? Do you know that the protests against the Russians occupation of Eastern Europe actually began in Poland under the leadership of Lech Walesa and encouraged by Pope John Paul II and Ronald Reagan. Has that ever been mentioned in Russian schools? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_rapes_in_Poland_(1944-1947)
[/QUOTE]Interestingly, americans very consistent in the way they do their crimes: in the same way Belgrad was bombed to the grounds in 1999. Typical Nazi approach.[/QUOTE] We can agree that the bombing was questionable.

In fact US troops are there as a part of NATO and at the invitation of the host nations. They are democracies and if the people want them to leave they will. Russians were in Eastern Europe only to protect Soviet Dictatorships.

 

), And that's the attitude portrayed by Russians, what Fred C Dobbs points out.

 

Comparing US hirotory to Russian history would not serve the Russian people well. I can point out the differences betwen Eaastern and Western Europe during the Russian occupation. Do you think the Eastern Europeans were better off being controlled by Russia?

The American economy is ten times that of the Russian economy and will continue to grow, while the Russian "Empire" will continue to crumble.

That's largely why Russians are emigrating to the United States rather than staying in the Motherland. http://thediplomat.com/2014/07/russian-emigration-spikes-in-2013-2014/

 

All your reference to the books and yellow papers- it is BS propaganda. These books are written by morons who get paid for publishing this BS.
You want specific American crimes? Ok. Here is one from many.
From 13 to 15 February 1945, American heavy bombers dropped 2,400 tons of high explosives and 1,500 tons of incendiary bombs onto the ancient cathedral city of Dresden. In just a few hours, around 25,000 to 35,000 civilians were blown up or incinerated. The city had no military significance, neverthelss it was completely destroyed and many people were killed. This is a crime. On the other side we have Soviet Army, that did the best to save Polish city Krakow which was supposed to be blown up by Germans. For this, by the way, the citizens of Krakow are grateful to Soviet soldiers, as well as grateful for liberation of concentration camp Osvencim, which is not far away from Krakow. Interestingly, americans very consistent in the way they do their crimes: in the same way Belgrad was bombed to the grounds in 1999. Typical Nazi approach.
US troops are in Europe since WW2 and it is not a big deal? No, it is a big deal. What the hell they are doing there after Warsaw pact was dissolved? They should have got out from Europe as soon as Soviet Army was withdrawn from East Europe. But they continue to occupy pretending that they were asked to stay. In the same way I can say that Soviet army was asked to stay in Eastern Europe.
If you can't differentiate between USSR and Russia, that is your problem.[/QUOTE]


Same can be said for the attack on Finland by the SU, which was a false flag attack, used to try to incorporate it into the SU.

 

These bombings were inflicted on populated civilian cities. This IS a war crime - if your government refuses to recognise it as one - it's not my problem. It's yours.