What if it were you

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What if it were YOU who was the one inside that womb?


    Easy to say "let women have their rights" when you're not the one who's life is in question, sitting helplessly there inside your mother's body.
     
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    Zeffy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    She should have aborted, she had no business giving birth. Ever.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Interesting twist. How do you define "You"?

    Who "you" are, can be defined as the total sum of your thoughts and actions up until now. "I think and therefor I am." Please share with us what you personally remember from your time in the womb. If there were no thoughts, did YOU really exist?

    When I was in the womb, my mother was told that giving birth would be risking her life and that she should abort for her own safety. She really WANTED me, so she took the risk and here I am. She had to have a hysterectomy soon afterwards, so I was the last one.

    Notice how this always ends up as being an issue of WANTED VS UNWANTED? You cannot force someone to want something just as you cant force them to unwant.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't remember being a baby either. Infanticide ok?
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nice dodge attempt, but the issue is still wanted VS unwanted. An infant may be safely surrendered if he/she is unwanted. There is already a thread about an artificial womb taking over, but that still doesn't solve the problem of not enough people willing to raise all these children.

    How do we solve that problem?
     
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    Where are you getting that there are not enough people willing?

    http://www.americanadoptions.com/pregnant/waiting_adoptive_families

    If you are pregnant and considering adoption for your unborn baby, it will be up to you to choose the perfect adoptive parents to raise your child. But as you scroll through the profiles of hundreds of hopeful waiting parents, you may feel overwhelmed by your options. Just how many families are looking to adopt?

    It is difficult to find reliable statistics to answer this question. Some sources estimate that there are about 2 million couples currently waiting to adopt in the United States — which means there are as many as 36 couples waiting for every one child who is placed for adoption.

    Consider this: about 10 percent of women in the United States — 6.1 million — have difficulty getting or staying pregnant. While not all women facing infertility will pursue adoption, a 2002 study by the Centers for Disease Control shows that more than half (57 percent) of women who use infertility services do consider adoption.

    In addition, these numbers do not take into account how many parents want to adopt for reasons other than infertility. Many more hopeful parents choose to grow their families through adoption, whether they are unmarried individuals, members of the LGBT community, or anyone else who feels that they are meant to adopt.
     
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    The real issue is whether the unborn baby is a person or not. Whether the baby is wanted or not only applies after the real question is answered.

    There are people who don't want their teenagers, they are still forced to care for them.
     
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    Whether there are enough people to adopt or care for "unwanted" babies is a separate problem from abortion. If its a person, it does not matter whether the pregnant woman wants the baby or not.

    Making the issue one of "wanted or unwanted" rather than an issue of responsibility for ones actions and the status of the unborn baby, is very self-centered. It seems so much in America is me-me-me, from MIllenials wanting others to pay their school loans to "free" government health care for all to whether "I want" a baby.
     
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    A fetus is not a person per the Law of the Land. Get back to us when that is changed, m'kay?

    Unwanted children have considerably worse outcomes in life than those that were wanted.

    Per the OP's question it would have made no difference to me whatsoever since I would have been completely unaware of it happening.
     
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    I'd have zero awareness therefore wouldn't know nor care; on the other hand if I did have awareness I'd assume that my carrier had an extremely good reason for aborting me. But if she didn't have a good reason then she wouldn't have been a good mother, so I'd still rather be aborted.
     
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    Well, If my mother wouldn't have aborted and got stuck with a baby, she would probably never have met my father and neither me or my siblings would have exist. That's rather the opposite for me, I wouldn't exist if abortion didn't existed.
     
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    Why are there kids still in the system waiting to be adopted?

    (what this has to do with the asinine OP topic, I don't know....)
     
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    The fetus is NOT a person. It is not a person until it's born.

    ..and no, parents are not forced to care for their children, teenagers or otherwise. They can give them up at any time.
     
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    OK, I'll play....

    What if you were the one with the womb?

    Easy to say "take away women's rights" when you're not the one whose life, and rights, are in question.................
     
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    Don't make it so easy for the OP!

    What if he was a teenage girl still in school with no means to support herself or her child or even any place to stay after having her baby because her parents are fundamentalists who are throwing her out for getting pregnant.

    So the choice for the OP is either have the abortion or be forced into a life of prostitution while trying to raise a child.
     
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    I don't know. A person said that there weren't enough people willing to raise unwanted children. That is just not true.
     
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    Then why are there still around 400,000 thousand unwanted children in foster care?
     
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    I think a lot of those are probably older children and teens who were removed from their homes rather than babies up for adoption. Because most people would rather adopt a baby than an almost adult child who has already had values (or lack of) instilled in him or her.
     
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    :) Ya, so it's not really "precious life" that Anti-Choicers care about....just fetuses...or a perfect newborn white baby.

    No matter, there are STILL more children that are NOT adopted.
     
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    If I was to adopt a child, I would rather adopt a baby than a teenager any day! Teenagers? Yuck!
     
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    Seriously though, it is much easier to bond with a baby than a teenager.
     
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    Thank you for admitting that your statement about unwanted children is wrong!

     
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    Putting your baby up for adoption is what I'm talking about, since this thread is about aborting babies. The discussion is not about teen children taken from their parents because they are irresponsible and/or horrible parents.
     
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    If I had an unwanted pregnancy, I would definitely put the baby up for adoption. I just think it's the right and proper thing to do. Rather than abort it, I would rather it have a chance at a happy and fulfilling life. The stats are pretty good concerning the success of adopted children. My ex and his sister were both adopted. He was adopted as a baby. She was a toddler. Both of them are happy to be alive and have pretty good lives and families/children of their own.

    http://adoption-beyond.org/adoption-statistics/
     
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    I understand that abortion is a necessary evil sometimes, but I think it's really WRONG to encourage it or talk about it as if it is a "good" thing. It's really not a very good thing in any way, shape or form. It's too bad more people don't consider adoption.
     

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