Could Poland be kicked out of the EU? Donald Tusk issues ultimatum

cry me a river. We are not allied with Poland. Poland is under us and the Kaczinsky regime is a problem for us. We remove that problem.

What you allow or not is irrelevant. We already rule Europe. We have more power today than ever before.

Beside that you are ruled by a clown. What you allow or not allow isn´t relevant. Beside that poland wants that we get our own nuclear weapons.

Kazinsky fears the russians more than us and he knows when **** hits the fan only Germany will save them.

We are no threat to the world. We are just very good. And we always have much ambitions.

 

If you belong to a club and refuse to accept its rules, you should logically leave or be kicked out. That is the only sensible attitude for the EU to take.

 

No your ignorance is showing again. Poland did sign up to agree with the values of the EU.

http://www.politico.eu/article/hungary-eu-news-article-7-vote-poland-rule-of-law/

What I said was that you knew nothing about the safeguards to democracy and that was to be expected as you had never voted in an election - or that should have been obvious. I voted for form captains at school but that has nothing to do with the safeguards on democracy, the checks and balances.

The bottom line is Poland joined accepting that she would abide by the values above and that if she did not she would need to accept the consequences. She has not left the EU so she is still under those commitments. The EU by the way is I hear very popular in Poland...... Yes the PiS was voted in by democracy but fascist dictatorships always have been. The people however don't think 'oh wow I would love to live under a fascist dictatorship'. The big carrot they offered was that any family having more than one child would receive $126 per month per extra child. Since getting into office it "has been relentless in its attacks on any institution that could oppose it." - these are the checks and balances in a democracy.

http://www.politico.eu/article/pis-polands-point-of-no-return/

and as to the percentage of the polish people who even voted for these people wanting their large child benefit cheques, that was tiny

same link.

so the PiS got a razor thin majority out of 37% of the population - possibly something like 19% of the population.

Given that Poland is still in the EU It must obey the rules it agreed to when it joined or face consequences. If Poland wants to stay in the EU the EU can try to help the people of Poland till they get the opportunity to get off their arses and vote for someone else. Once Poland is out of the EU she can choose to do whatever she wants. Then there is nothing which the EU can do. Poland will be in charge of her own fate

 

I think it will be very funny indeed to watch your nuclear weapons program grow.
It's your "much ambitions" which bring you into conflict with your neighbours.

No one will miss you when you go. We'll give your land to the refugee's. It will be for the best, you understand, Your final act of epic leadership. Crowning achievement of your great civilisation.
To be ruled.

To be ruled because you had to be. Because you couldn't help but try and rule over others. And that is why you are where you are. Poodle of America.
Poodle of Great Britian.
Poodle of Russia.
And most embassasingly of all, Poodle of France.
Even little old Malta. Ruling over you.
Their laws, their languages, their salutes.
Yes sir.
Fly their flag as equal to your own. Right there next to it as a symbol of their authority over you.

Whatever would you do if Greece's military rolled on you?
Warrior gene pool in your country has a Darwin Award.

 

You and your anti german rants always amuse me. As does your poverty and submissive poodle behavior.

The french are our pet. So are the british. The russians`? We sanction them and use their poverty against them, split their Ukraine in half.

We are the absolute pinacle of human evolution. Without us, you would live in a cave.

What we would do if greece military rolled on us? Starve their grandmothers



The EU is our empire and i like the status que. What we say and demand is law and the others follow.

As the greek finance minister said. He tried to debate with the other finance ministers to stand against us. But he failed. He says they do what Germany orders. They are in fear.

And thats good, we have a german Europe.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/05/22/germany-is-quietly-building-a-european-army-under-its-command/

We build a european army under our command

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-ally-says-UK-fall-line-oppose-Tobin-tax.html

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...ny-rule-european-commission-over-romano-prodi

It is just natural that we have made Europe a german super state. You have to accept it. And the weakness of trumps speeds up this process.

Former french president Hollande was a weakling but he was critical towards german power, yet he succumbed.

Now the french voted a German muppet as their president. Macron does exactly as Merkel demands.

The last critical country is Poland. And Poland is isolated. Once Kazynski is removed things will be better. Well...his twin brother was already removed.

he still thinks it was done by germany and russia

 

This is not really valid chart, it is calculated by currency value, not economic contribution.
UK, EU currencies are world reserve assets, so they are overpriced substantially, may be 70-80%.

 

Good to see the Europeans still getting along. The Muslims should fit right in.

 

They also will not get kicked out because it would cost the EU a revenue stream, and that is all they want, the power of money.

 

People I know from Poland, Czech Republic and Slovakia tell me they don't want to be part of the EU, but economically it is difficult to withdraw. One issue of great concern is the TPP trade agreement, which will force them to alter their food chain.

 

I'll take a fascist over the Bolshevik traitors the EU has produced.

I'm waiting for the day when we watch Merkel's head role personally. I hope its refugees that do it.

 

Yes but given I spent 30 seconds looking for it I'm sure it served it's purpose or made it's point which was Polish contributions are nowhere near what the UK contributes

 

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Wait, this is their total (contribution - 'welfare') from the EU? Woah, really? I may have to do some digging into this info wise, I am embarassed by the lack of time I have put into it.

But if it is as simple as the graph above, I am pretty surprised that Germany is a good 20% behind Sweden with an economy that is seven times the size

 

For the ones who like facts:




http://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-Britain-UK-net-contribution-Brussels-Cameron



https://www.statista.com/statistics/316691/european-union-eu-budget-share-of-contributions/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_the_European_Union

Nobody was forced to be member of the EU and countries can leave if they want but Poland will not leave for sure. The growth of the Polish economy since 1990 depends complete on the EU beside the diligence of the Polish people. Poland recieves every year far over 10 billion € in direct payments from the EU budget and billions € earned in the EU by Polish migrants are sent home.

I just hope that the actual government does not harm the Polish economy and the relations to the EU and in particular to Germany too much in the time they have. Kaczynski is a man of the past and he is not able to form a positive future, he just wants to fight the wars of yesterday.

Checks and balances are not negotiable for the EU

 

Cannot say about the other countries but I was reading last night that 75% of the people of Poland want to stay in the EU,

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...g-government-eu-russia-democracy-under-threat

That is because it is economically beneficial for them to be in it though as I have said regarding Poland which is what this thread is on, the people overwhelmingly do not want to withdraw.

TPP - you mean TTP? nothing to do with Europe. TTIP is the one for Europe. These are neo liberal trade deals which themselves threaten democracy and are opposed by vast numbers of people from every country in the EU.

 

I get it fascism is for you. I suspect however that advocating for the killing of a European Head of State is against forum rules.

 

Socialist EU? Ehm ... more nonsense is not possible as to write such BS!

it is slowly only boring how some US righties blame things to be socialist but having no clue about things and ignore facts!

Poland is threaten to be kicked out of EU due to fact that they bury their own constitution and the strict necessary separation of legislative, executive and judicative ... as well to hinder massive freedom of speech and press / media!

And the majority of Polish people is against this with the huge protest against it why Duda stopped the issue for the first, but did not cancel. Behind this all are these neo cons of Kaczynski (you remember, these 2 twins where 1 died at plane crash some years ago).

And I can speak about as German too, because my wife is Polish!

 

Yeah, after making that post I did exactly what I said I would do and spent an hour or so doing my own research. I still don't really understand what that guys graph covers but whatever

Hmm I don't know if saying "checks and balances" is accurate though since many of the other political parties have truly been silenced pretty harshly. Europe is simply different so there is no comparing, but even though I dsiagree with certain speech I do hate laws that making saying things illegal

 

I would like to see Europe going back being Europe again.

I miss Europe.

I remember when Europe use to be Europe.

 

The law does not take away the independence of the judges.

But it does term limit them which is a good thing that I wish we had in America

 

Whol told you? Russians told you. Did you listened? Noooooooo, why would anyone listen to "propaganda". Not like these tendencies been highlightened in RF media for years.

I hope poles will succeed in restricting those who step over their constitution - one of things I least wish to witness in my lifetime is a rise of a some sort of neo-szlaychta, that would pose itself as upper class, free to violate constitution and rewrite it.

 

It isn't talking about judges, but rather about judicial Independence. There are a series of laws. What I remember is the ability for the Government to hire and fire Judges. Now I do know your President can do that. However it is going to be one maybe 2 and then everyone will have to put up with them till they die. This would give the Polish Government control over the judiciary. It would almost certainly only employ people who it knew would do what it wants. I have heard the PiS has already gone against laws of Poland. Obviously this would allow them to change them for those they want.

A judiciary employed and responsible to the people in power is not an Independent judiciary.

 

I can't follow what you are saying

Term limiting the judges is a very good idea because otherwise they have absolute power and answer to no one for the rest of their lives

That is a recipe for judicial abuse

 

It may be. However judges being hired and fired by those in power is not an Independent Judiciary. That is obviously a recipe for judicial abuse.

Got it yet?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...e-eu-voting-rights-over-judicial-independence


I agree with you that a system like you have in the states, is it your supreme court where judges carry on working till they die has the possibility to be problematic. I am not arguing against that. However it remains that a judiciary being hired and fired by the Government which is what this is about, is not an Independent Judiciary - or another way of putting it would be that the powers would not be separate.

 

I think the Poles should consider withdrawing from the EU

 

Why? Flaunting the rules and staying in is the best option for a number of countries. I remember Victor Orban simply telling other Europeans that Hungary was going to give them pennies on the dollar, and that was that.

Europeans are generally non-confrontational.

The EU has done well by Poland, but the Europeans are starting to realize that sovereignty is dear. The EU will remain, but I really doubt it becomes any kind of federation for a very long time.