shortage of affordable housing for young adults

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  1. Ndividual

    Ndividual Well-Known Member

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    I agree on the interstate highway system which is infrastructure enabling trade and travel between States, and like our military comprised of citizens from all States must be subsidized by all taxpayers. A second Golden Gate Bridge, rent controlled affordable housing, and all social spending on residents of each State should be the result of taxation and debt for which the citizens of each individual State are totally responsible.
    Repealing the 16th amendment, eliminating the IRS, returning taxation of the people to the States would eliminate about 80,000 IRS workers, with a budget of over $11 billion, allowing States to direct the revenue spending to where it is most needed. Citizens of each State might be more agreeable to paying higher taxes to fund their own needs, and State and local governments might become more restrained by their citizens to assure their taxes are being spent wisely, efficiently, resulting in less corruption and waste. Repealing the 17th amendment, making the Senate once again a body representing the State government would go a long way towards constraining Federal spending to what both the people, represented by the House members of Congress and tempered by the States, represented by the Senate members of Congress want and are willing and able to fully fund without increasing Federal debt with the exception only of times of war or perhaps some major natural disaster.
    Why does public housing deteriorate more rapidly than privately owned/occupied housing?
     
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    Immigrants and non immigrant illegal aliens occupy most of the affordable housing in America which increases the cost of all housing.

    It's a supply and demand thing.



     
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    A fortune improving it? I've done $100,000 worth of work to my home over the past year and a half for about $20,000. I fixed the leaks in the pool, put in new hardscapes, landscaping, drainage, a super bitching patio, irrigation for the yard and my homes foundation, and eliminated a myriad of electrical, gas, and permit issues.

    Renting is simply a waste of money
     
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    not for the millions who lost their equity in the last housing crash!!
     
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    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

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    Ever heard of people who need assistance in life...
     
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    The only way your concept of local governments funding things like the Golden Gate bridge is if a toll is collected for all non-CA drivers using that bridge. Same with roads and all other infrastructure. Local governments try to pay their way but NONE of them do! All of them are subsidized by the federal government. Local governments cannot create debt...they must pay their way.

    No Amendments are going to be repealed so why go there?

    Why does housing deteriorate...because it's not maintained...
     
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    Why not be more accurate in your statements? Except for the Native American Indians and visitors ALL housing in the USA is occupied by "Immigrants and non immigrant illegal aliens". All of us are immigrants...
     
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    everyone is for assistance but not for crippling people so they will become dependent liberal voters.
    When Clinton ended welfare as we know it by making it workfare fully half decided they were no longer in need of welfare. What does that teach you? Has 50 years of crippling "assistance" to Chicago's ghettos made things far worse? See why we are positive that liberalism is based in pure ignorance. Is any other logical conclusion possible?
     
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    It is one of a great many toll bridges in the U.S., charging all Southbound traffic including CA drivers.

    You seem to recognize the problem.

    QUOTE="OldManOnFire, post: 1067842054, member: 5769"] Local governments cannot create debt...they must pay their way. [/QUOTE]
    If that were true...
    Detroit, MI - $18.5 billion
    San Bernardino, CA - $46 million
    Hillview, KY - $15 million
    Central Falls, MA - $21 million
    Stockton, CA - $26 million
    and many others would not have filed for bankruptcy.

    QUOTE="OldManOnFire, post: 1067842054, member: 5769"]No Amendments are going to be repealed so why go there?[/QUOTE]
    Remember the 18th amendment? Why was it repealed?

    QUOTE="OldManOnFire, post: 1067842054, member: 5769"]
    Why does housing deteriorate...because it's not maintained...[/QUOTE]
    A case of government not doing its' job?
     
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    So American Indians are a unique strain of Homo Sapien Sapiens who developed on the continent apart from all other human species?
    From where did ALL of us immigrate from? And American Indians?
     
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    Not I, I'm native born.

    So were my father and mother so that makes me a natural born citizen.

    Son follows the condition of his father. That's "Natural Law" aka "Law of Nature."

    Not everyone can make that claim.
     
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    You wish to talk about logic but you don't use logic? When people cannot take care of themselves do you think they should just suffer and die off? You don't live in reality...just your biased political views which are meaningless. The need for affordable housing, and government assistance, never was and is not today a POLITICAL issue except when made by people like you who are incapable of thorough examination and effective problem solving...
     
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    If that were true...
    Detroit, MI - $18.5 billion
    San Bernardino, CA - $46 million
    Hillview, KY - $15 million
    Central Falls, MA - $21 million
    Stockton, CA - $26 million
    and many others would not have filed for bankruptcy.

    QUOTE="OldManOnFire, post: 1067842054, member: 5769"]No Amendments are going to be repealed so why go there?[/QUOTE]
    Remember the 18th amendment? Why was it repealed?

    QUOTE="OldManOnFire, post: 1067842054, member: 5769"]
    Why does housing deteriorate...because it's not maintained...[/QUOTE]
    A case of government not doing its' job?[/QUOTE]

    Everyone must pitch in the fund the infrastructure no matter if they live in Mayberry RFD.

    The debt held by local governments is primarily payments on pension bonds, other unfunded pension liabilities, healthcare, worker compensation, etc. all of which should be funded but expenses continue to rise faster than income and pretty soon it's no longer financially viable. It's more about bad management than it is about creating debt. Most local governments do not have money trees to fund reckless budgets although many of them can sell various bonds to fund stuff above what general taxation can fund.

    In reality, no amendments are going to be repealed today so don't hold your hopes high on this...
     
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    Regarding the USA, prior to any form of federal government, there were some indigenous people in the area of the USA, and although they also were immigrants if you go back to the beginning of human migration, ALL other people who eventually migrated to North America, those which are defined as our ancestors, were 100% immigrants and/or illegals. Fact remains all of us today, except for Native American Indians, are immigrants...
     
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    So you are claiming that your family ancestors did not migrate from outside of the current contiguous USA? Or was there an immaculate conception on US soil that suddenly started your family tree? All of us either directly migrated or are descendants of those who migrated to the USA...
     
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    That should be America since there was no USA before 1784.

    But that would also include the Cheyenne, Mojave, Nez Perce, Apache, Lakota, Chemehuevi, Yuma. Ute, Sioux. Osage, Cree, Mohican, Huron. Pawnee, Pima, Chinook, Navajo, Yavapai, Shoshone etc... and maybe another six dozen tribes who all migrated to North America from some other place like Siberia.
     
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    This is especially true in the educated parts of the country where the high tech is. The north east and west coast. , look at SF or NY and the metropolitan area, hard to attract people to those areas who are just starting out with the high housing costs
     
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    if conservatives don't use logic why so afraid to present your best example??
     
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    If I ever said that I will pay you $10,000. Bet?? See the way you make things up like a small child when you are backed into a corner?
     
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    its not political?? What does that mean?? You mean Democrats and Republicans agree?? You mean its decided outside of politics by the Girl Scouts?? Do you have any idea what you mean?
     
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    Just heard a spot on NPR where boomers are renting rooms to young adults.
     
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    if you think conservatives are incapable of problem solving why are you so afraid to give your best example for whole world to see??
     
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    You seem to have lost the comment on the toll bridges.


    That would depend on who you define 'everyone' to be and what what 'infrastructure' you're talking about.

    Debt is debt.

    I agree, no amendments are going to be repealed today. It's going to take a lot of effort.
     
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    Which tribe first came to the continent? Only they would then be native to the continent as successive immigrant tribes would then be coming to an occupied land.
     
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    Doesn't matter...no one knows who was first...ALL of us are immigrants...
     

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