The city where addicts are allowed to inject:

The city where addicts are allowed to inject:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40828608

[Something had to be done. Vancouver has the worst drug problems in Canada and far, far too many people were dying on the streets and in alleys. Now they can go to clean clinics and shoot up their own drugs with clean needles and supervised by a nurse or a doctor. The deaths have dropped and the project seems to be working. As I said something had to be done and its happening. Surely there is a lesson here for cities everywhere? What do you think?]
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"libido sciendi"..... the passion to know.

 

Switzerland did the same thing with similar results. It works when done properly.

Those who object care not for humanity.

 

Legalise it all and let people suffer the consequences of their own decisions concerning their own health.

Are you going to inject heroin if it's legalised? Im sure not.

 

Unfortunately, the war on drugs is big business here in the US. There's no way businessmen and politicians are going to give up billions in tax revenue without a fight.

 

Plus the fact that treatment centers get like 30k dollars from the insurance companies. That's why opioids are being targeted now. Truth is, they are non narcotic pain killers. They are not addictive. But the media keeps saying they are...........their lies know no bounds.

 

Opioids are narcotics... and their profile with habit forming varies between each drug, but all opioids have the possibility for addiction.

 

is there a place where someone can roll my joints for me? Mine always look like butterscotch candies.

 

Silly, it's not a vagina..

 

perhaps mine identify as one.

 

Because it's a female?

 

https://www.naabt.org/education/opiates_opioids.cfm

Thus proving my point. They lump them all as opioids NOW so they can claim they're all addictive.
This was not originally the case. They are separate drugs. Typical Cultural Marxist subversion, distorting the original meaning of something to support a false narrative.

 

Don't get me wrong. I think that the clinics tht are opening up to for addicts are a GOOD thing. These people need help, and they shouldn't be treated like a criminal.

In terms of the semantics of narcotics bein opioids: my credentials would permit me to write an article about that. I don't because it's a moot point. I'm a board certified anesthetist that uses opiates/narcotics on a daily basis. Primarily fentanyl for intraoperative pain and dilaudid(hydromorphone) for the bridge to post-operative management.

Medically the terms are synonyms. but in either case this should not be a factor in swaying public opinion.

The epidemic in the US is multifactoral. It's about time we cast aside this idiotic "war on drugs" and criminalizing these people. It simply does not work. In fact, it's been detrimental to the opioid crisis. The public has this perception that when they have surgery, they should be pain free. Any pain after a procedure is viewed as mismanagement, which is leading to overprescribing of narcotics.

Ultimately these patients get addicted, because these substances are habit forming. Law makers are cracking down on doctors to limit refills. This leads to a dependent patient being cut off from their supply, with no means or education to deal with their dependency. So they go to the street to find heroine.

Obamacare did a good thing in giving patients a means to determine compensation for their care, in the terms of surveys. It did nothing to address the fact that the public, in general, is extremely ignorant in differentiating good from bad care.

I could do a big belly surgery and minimize narcotic use by using adjuncts and anti-inflammatory mess. But it's gonna hurt.. would you want that? It wouldn't be bad care, it's just different care.

We need to stop throwing addicts in jail and gain control over distribution. Legalize this crap so we can reign this problem in.

 

Prison, where Donny will be dispatching all drug taking terrorist lefties soon enough.

 

That is an inaccurate statement.

 

Non narcotic pain killers are not as good for severe pain. If you are on palative care it's quite rational for you to be given morphine. If you have had your wisdom teeth out a prescription for a pack of Oxycodone is similarly reasonable.

People should not have to suffer through legitimate pain because the state doesn't trust them to not sell their pills.

 

Actually you just refute your claim that opioids aren't a narcotic or addictive and supported the other posters statement that they were both.

 

Yes. When I got teeth pulled I got some pretty heavy stuff from the dentist - opium derivative of some sort. Sadly it didn't do nearly as good a job as ibuprofen, which I can't take any more. Oh well.

 

There is a medically supervised injecting room in Sydney. It led to a precipitous drop in overdoses from IV drug use. There is currently a campaign to set up a similar facility in my area. We get about one overdose every 10 days around here. People dying in gutters & toilets (I've had to call an ambulance for one myself - poor girl ODed in a public toilet). Unfortunately the state government here is scared of a 'law & order' campaign by the Murdoch-owned press, which openly supports the opposition. So, users die in back alleys so people who will never get closer to a drug user than a picture on TV have their sense of 'law & order' satisfied.

 

I can not see Republicans in the US supporting this. Regardless if it is proven to work and effectively reduces the very problems they want to get rid of.

They will go with longer sentences in harsh prison conditions as their main focus to reduce the problem.

 

Why offer up a humane rational set of solutions that actually mitigate the majority of social problems addiction causes.

Nah, that would be pandering to the weak, lazy and irreligious and doesn't appropriately express the wrath of god.

 

Ibuprofen I've found to be an excellent anti inflammatory, but not so great an analgesic. Everyones different I suppose. When I get out of a serious surgery I go for pethidine in the hospital and oxy or codeine out of it.

I have had some... uncomfortable surgeries. When you have a tube up your freshly sliced open urethra you sort of demand the best

 

For me I found that ibuprofen dealt with the 'sharp' pain in the 12-24 hours after tooth extraction. Opioids certainly helped, but not as much. They also left me feeling a bit drowsy, but not enough to get decent sleep (which the ibuprofen did help with).

Don't much like the sound of those surgeries.

 

Back in the 60s when I worked in a drug store as a pharmacist assistant, in the days before Oxy and other opioids, the standard fare for post dental work pain was Empirin #3, which I think was aspirin, phenacetin and caffeine, along with half grain of codeine. It seemed to work fine for people. #4 included a full grain of codeine, but #3 was much more commonly used, and not just for dental procedures.

It does not appear to me that the arrival of Oxy and the opioids have brought anything but bad news for society and many patients.

 

Back in the day we used to hammer in braces without anaesthetic. If we find a better way of doing things we adapt.

It is not the role of a doctor to baby you. Their role is to relieve your pain to a reasonable standard.

 

I do understand your point, and for the most part agree.

My point is a question: are we in society allowed to ask "at what price?"

Are we allowed to evaluate, to conduct a cost/benefit analysis regarding the efficacy and unintended consequences of the engineered opioids?

If we are, it seems obvious to me (having taken both classes of drugs) that the benefit to the Oxy class drugs is subjective and small, even as the unintended consequences to society are quite harmful.