The Consensus of Scientists

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  1. Media_Truth

    Media_Truth Well-Known Member

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    This 7-minute video sums up the issues very nicely. If you haven't seen it, check it out.

    The overwhelming majority of climate scientists agree that humans are causing climate change. How do we know that? This video covers several studies showing the high levels of agreement about anthropogenic global warming among scientists, and concludes by debunking the infamous "Global Warming Petition Project."

     
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    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Still waiting for a list of names of this overwhelming majority of climate scientist. Who exactly are they and how many of them are there?
     
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    Media_Truth Well-Known Member

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    You must not have watched the video, where this is discussed. That said, here is a list of the author's of the IPCC's 5th assessment report. Now you have no excuse to hide your head in the sand.

    Rajendra K. Pachauri (Chair), Myles R. Allen (United Kingdom), Vicente R. Barros (Argentina), John Broome (United Kingdom), Wolfgang Cramer (Germany/France), Renate Christ (Austria/WMO), John A. Church (Australia), Leon Clarke (USA), Qin Dahe (China), Purnamita Dasgupta (India), Navroz K. Dubash (India), Ottmar Edenhofer (Germany), Ismail Elgizouli (Sudan), Christopher B. Field (USA), Piers Forster (United Kingdom), Pierre Friedlingstein (United Kingdom/Belgium), Jan Fuglestvedt (Norway), Luis Gomez-Echeverri (Colombia), Stephane Hallegatte (France/World Bank), Gabriele Hegerl (United Kingdom/Germany), Mark Howden (Australia), Kejun Jiang (China), Blanca Jimenez Cisneros (Mexico/UNESCO), Vladimir Kattsov (Russian Federation), Hoesung Lee (Republic of Korea), Katharine J. Mach (USA), Jochem Marotzke (Germany), Michael D. Mastrandrea (USA), Leo Meyer (The Netherlands), Jan Minx (Germany), Yacob Mulugetta (Ethiopia), Karen O’Brien (Norway), Michael Oppenheimer (USA), Joy J. Pereira (Malaysia), Ramón Pichs-Madruga (Cuba), Gian-Kasper Plattner (Switzerland), Hans-Otto Pörtner (Germany), Scott B. Power (Australia), Benjamin Preston (USA), N.H. Ravindranath (India), Andy Reisinger (New Zealand), Keywan Riahi (Austria), Matilde Rusticucci (Argentina), Robert Scholes (South Africa), Kristin Seyboth (USA), Youba Sokona (Mali), Robert Stavins (USA), Thomas F. Stocker (Switzerland), Petra Tschakert (USA), Detlef van Vuuren (The Netherlands), Jean-Pascal van Ypersele (Belgium)
     
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    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So that's it? That's the 99% of scientist we always here about? Now we can all see that this 99% figure that's always thrown around is in reality a very small group of zealots who's opinion the entire world is supposed to base their lives on and every country is supposed to base their economic and social policies on which would make them the most powerful little bunch of leftist in the entire history of man . No thanks.
     
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    Media_Truth Well-Known Member

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    That's some of them. If you didn't watch the video, you wouldn't know about the rest though. As a matter-of-fact, if you didn't watch the video, you shouldn't even comment on the thread.
     
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    So now your story changes and you can't give me a comprehensive list of just who these vaunted 97% of scientist are and what their credentials are. I've asked the question of cult members in here numerous times and all I get is evasive answers like yours. You can't honestly use a precise number like 97% unless you can name 100% of the scientist and then tell us which ones exactly make up the infamous 97%. The BS here is very apparent.
     
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    My acceptance of a theory requires only one scientist. It is the one who 'accurately' and continually predicts climate change.
     
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    What's this guy's name?
     
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    Media_Truth Well-Known Member

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    Did you watch the video?
     
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    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Can't answer my question can you. That's alright, no cult member ever has been able to but they persist in the dogma of the myhtical 97% as will you.
     
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    And of course, they all rely on the BS study and cite Cooke et al. Of course, the "study" conclusion only represents the roughly 36% of the studies included in the review, and only represent those that have a mention or an inference of AGW in their abstracts or conclusions. Meaning that of the 100% of studies accumulated, only a third mention AGW, and of those 97% actually mentioned an AGW component. This is then translated into the "consensus" So, of the third or so of the studies, the "consensus of those that agreed with the premise were highlighted. Completely disingenuous method, and bogus conclusion from it.
     
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    Still pushing the failed cartoonists propaganda?
     
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    Why don't you cite a reputable link for your assertions? I believe you're listening to fossil-fuel industry propaganda. Those in denial, used to say the same things about the health effects of tobacco, while the tobacco industry fed them similar propaganda.
     
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    Ah, the old logical fallacy while pushing propaganda.
     
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    Why don't you cite a reputable link that refutes my assertions. You sound like you're part of the cult.
     
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    Did you watch the video? It cites three different, independent studies, of the opinions of climatologists around the world. All three arrived at the same numbers: 97-98% of climatologists accept AGW theories.

    5-20 years ago, AGW theories were accepted by most members of both parties. The fossil fuel lobby has invested big money into an attempt to shift the science.

    Pres. GW BUSH: "It's now recognized that the surface of the earth is warmer, and that an increase in greenhouse gases caused by humans is contributing to the problem."
     
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    Ah, the video. Truth, the very font of.... Do you even know who Cooke is? I doubt it given what you're offering. I would point out that your hysterical fear of big oil are actually on the forefront of adoption of green energy. The fact that you can't get past stumbling on the dogmatic talking points seriously is limiting your credibility and effectiveness here.

    GWBush also implemented no child left behind. Is that really the reference you want to start with?
     
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    John Cooke:
    John is a Research Assistant Professor at the Center for Climate Change Communication at George Mason University. He holds a PhD in cognitive psychology at the University of Western Australia and a Bachelor of Science at the University of Queensland, achieving First Class Honours with a major in physics.

    John co-authored the college textbooks Climate Change: Examining the Facts with Weber State University professor Daniel Bedford. He was also a coauthor of the textbook Climate Change Science: A Modern Synthesis and the book Climate Change Denial: Heads in the Sand.


    I don't normally quote GW Bush, but my cited quote was one of the wise things that he said. Maybe his daddy, who was environmentally consious, had some influence on him on the matter.

    And as for Big Oil, the links to the funding of climate change denial organizations are easily trackable, but I'll leave that for another time.

    And as for credibility, yours is now at about the 1st-Grade level.
     
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    Sorry, well at least I got a laugh here. The depth of your superficiality is spectacular, and your willingness to double down on ignorance is extraordinary. Brava....
     
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    LOL, do doubt you believe the failed cartoonist and his alarmist blog which is an experiment in 'communication'. Somehow everyone leaves the 'easily trackable' for another time since there is no real 'easily trackable' information.
     
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    Oh, so you are a Climatologist? Have you written textbooks on the subject like Cooke? Do you teach University classes on the subject? Please tell everybody who you are, so we can ooh and aah at your posts.
     
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    Cooke isn't a climatologist either so what is your point? He is a failed cartoonist that took classes in psychology. That was after he started his alarmist blog.
     
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    He has a phD, and Bachelor of Science in Physics. He co-authored 2 books with Climate Scientists. One can learn a lot, in that capacity. What kind of phD do you have? What is your Bachelor of Science degree in?
     
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    LOL, he had to clean up his image a bit. Go back a little in time and this is what was originally on SKS.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20080213042858/http://www.skepticalscience.com/page.php?p=3


    He had a great pic of himself dressed as a Nazi.
     
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    Rajendra K. Pachauri (Chair)(PHD Industrial Eng. MS industrial Engineering, Ms Economics), Myles R. Allen (No degrees listed, Prof. Of Geosysem Science school of Geography Oxford), Vicente R. Barros (contributor to IPCC), John Broome (BA mathematics & Economics, PHD Economics, MA Philosophy), Wolfgang Cramer (geography diploma, PHD plant ecology), Renate Christ (PHD philosophy, MS biology, earth sciences), John A. Church (BS physics, PHD philosophy), Leon Clarke (PHD & BS Engineering-Economic Systems, BS & MS Mechanical Engineering ), Qin Dahe (glaciologist), Purnamita Dasgupta (BS, MA, PH Economics), Navroz K. Dubash (MA & PHD energy & Resources, AB public & Int. affairs), Ottmar Edenhofer (BA Philosophy, PHD Econommics), Ismail Elgizouli (BS Physics & Mathmatics, MS Operational research and statistics), Christopher B. Field (PHD Biology), Piers Forster (BS Physics, MS meteorolgy), Pierre Friedlingstein (Prof. Mathmatic modeling), Jan Fuglestvedt (MS Environmental chemistry, PHD atmospheric chemistry), Luis Gomez-Echeverri (BA business, MA Environmental Management, MS Intl. Economic Affairs ), Stephane Hallegatte (Eng degrees, MS Meteorology, PHD Economics), Gabriele Hegerl (Prof Geosystems), Mark Howden (Prof. Climate Change Institute), Kejun Jiang (software enginer), Blanca Jimenez Cisneros (BS Environmental Engineering, MS & PHD Wastewater Treatment), Vladimir Kattsov (PHD physical and mathematical science), Hoesung Lee (PHD Economics), Katharine J. Mach (PhD Biology, AB Biology), Jochem Marotzke (PHD Physics), Michael D. Mastrandrea (PHD Interdisciplinary Program in Environment and Resources), Leo Meyer (Climate Consultant), Jan Minx (PHD Environmental Economics), Yacob Mulugetta (Prof of Energy & Development), Karen O’Brien (Prof. Sociology and Human Geography), Michael Oppenheimer (SB in Chemistry, PHD in Chemical Physics), Joy J. Pereira (Prof. Environment & Development), Ramón Pichs-Madruga (Economics), Gian-Kasper Plattner (PHD Environmental Physics), Hans-Otto Pörtner (Physiology, zoology, marine biology), Scott B. Power (BS Biology), Benjamin Preston (?), N.H. Ravindranath (agriculture), Andy Reisinger (agriculture), Keywan Riahi (Energy), Matilde Rusticucci (Meteorology), Robert Scholes (Environmental sciences), Kristin Seyboth (editor, consultant), Youba Sokona (Honorary Professor), Robert Stavins (Prof. Energy & Economic Development), Thomas F. Stocker (Physics), Petra Tschakert (PHD anthropology and land resources), Detlef van Vuuren (MS Chemistry & Environmental Science), Jean-Pascal van Ypersele (PHD Physics)

    I went through the names and included their degrees if I could find the information...there is a spot in the video where it states that the (2:15 - ) it states that the highest level of climate scientist, the higher level of agreement on AGW...So I went through and listed the named authors and their degrees or area of expertise...The ones in bold are what I would consider the highest level of expertise in climate science, the rest are relatable and contributive but are not meteorologist as the graph in the video states.



    http://www.drroyspencer.com/about/

    Dr. Roy Spencer has a PHD in Meteorology and is a current NASA scientist.
     
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