Toms River, New Jersey Mayor Decries 'Invasion' of Hasidic Jews

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  1. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    If you punch someone for touching your shoulder you have no chance.
     
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    It's not for touching the shoulder. I have no problems with people touching my shoulder. That's legal schnitz. What I have problems with - as well as the law - is the threatening, which IMO is just confirmed by the shoulder touch.

    I'd record him them give him and his ilk an old-fashioned lesson. Tradition!

     
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    somebody putting their hand on you can be considered assault.
    it does matter if you have a problem with the law you can't just punch people because they say s*** to you.

    and from your jail cell no one will care your house will likely be foreclosed on and they will have won.

    I'd be willing to bet that's what they're trying to do.
     
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    Who is a Jew?
    A Jew is any person whose mother was a Jew or any person who has gone through the formal process of conversion to Judaism.

    It is important to note that being a Jew has nothing to do with what you believe or what you do. A person born to non-Jewish parents who has not undergone the formal process of conversion but who believes everything that Orthodox Jews believe and observes every law and custom of Judaism is still a non-Jew, even in the eyes of the most liberal movements of Judaism, and a person born to a Jewish mother who is an atheist and never practices the Jewish religion is still a Jew, even in the eyes of the ultra-Orthodox. In this sense, Judaism is more like a nationality than like other religions, and being Jewish is like a citizenship. See What Is Judaism?

    This has been established since the earliest days of Judaism. In the Torah, you will see many references to "the strangers who dwell among you" or "righteous proselytes" or "righteous strangers." These are various classifications of non-Jews who lived among Jews, adopting some or all of the beliefs and practices of Judaism without going through the formal process of conversion and becoming Jews. Once a person has converted to Judaism, he is not referred to by any special term; he is as much a Jew as anyone born Jewish.

    Although all Jewish movements agree on these general principles, there are occasional disputes as to whether a particular individual is a Jew. Most of these disputes fall into one of two categories.

    First, traditional Judaism maintains that a person is a Jew if his mother is a Jew, regardless of who his father is. The liberal movements, on the other hand, allow Jewish status to pass through the mother or the father if the child identifies as Jewish. For example, according to the Reform movement, former Phillies catcher Mike Lieberthal, who had a Jewish father but chooses not to be identified as Jewish, would not be Jewish according to the Reform movement, but former Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, who had a Jewish father and adopted a Jewish identity as an adult, would be considered Jewish. See their position here). On the other hand, the child of a a Christian father and a Jewish mother who does not publicly identify himself as Jewish would be considered Jewish according to the Orthodox movement, but not according to the Reform movement. The matter becomes even more complicated, because the status of that interfaith child's children also comes into question.

    Second, the more traditional movements do not always acknowledge the validity of conversions by the more liberal movements. A more liberal movement might not follow the procedures required by the more traditional movement, thereby invalidating the conversion. For example, Orthodoxy requires acceptance of the yoke of Torah (observance of Jewish law as Orthodoxy understands it), while other movements would not teach the same laws that Orthodoxy does and might not require observance. The Conservative movement requires circumcision and immersion in a mikvah, which is not always required in Reform conversions. http://www.jewfaq.org/whoisjew.htm
     
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    I don't care.
     
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    I don't either. So why did you want evidence?
     
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    From antrophology's point of view - yes. They are members of europid race.
     
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    Um. Actually he gave a pretty good point about Judaism as religion. Well written, detailed and with a source link. An effort worthy of respect.


    Other thing is that here is a religion, and here is an ethnicity. Ethnicity exists too, along with phenotype, culture and traditions. But from purely religious point of view - yes, without conversion person can't be called an actual jew. Religions have their canons and rites, and for religions these things matter very much.

    Though - fairly, nobody forbids to later convert in other faith or become an atheist, agnostic, et cetera. Views of people can change.
     
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    Claims need to be supported with evidence or they can be dismissed without evidence.
     
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    He can save it for synagogue. I don't care about religion.


    I understand that jewish can also relate to ethnicity.
     
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    You really think so? Seems rather a silly view to take, but we're all entitled to our own opinions, no matter how unreasonable.
     
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    Are you joking? I could find countless examples of this blatant double standard.
     
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    Yeah, keep telling yourself that, Pisa.
     
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    Almost as little as I'd want you as one.
     
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    It's interesting that you think that I'm a worse person than the orthodox jews that I wrote about in the threads that I linked to. Of course, you're entitled to your opinion, but I would like to point out that unlike these orthodox jews, I have never stolen over a million dollars in public assistance, and I don't humiliate homeless people, film their humiliation, and then put the videos on the internet. My only "crime" is that I have started threads on this forum about news stories that involve jews. I don't think that that makes me a bad person, but it's something that our readers will have to decide for themselves.
     
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    It might be interesting to you to also know that I will choose an openly bigoted ******** over a person who claims they aren't a jew hater but spends an enormous amount of their time digging up and posting the worst stories they can find about jews.

    Despite the fact that these stories of humans being humans and are replicated around the world in all kinds of colors and beliefs, you can only see the ones about jews.

    I think its a crime to deny one's bigotries. The "aggrevated" version of the crime is when that bigot makes such a public effort to express that bigotry and then employs sophistry in an attempt to justify their actions. Its as if they think that people are too stupid to see thru their churlish charade.
     
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    I'm sorry, but you don't get to decide who or what I am, and how I think and what I feel. You've been following me around on this forum for over a year, not to discuss the thread topics, but to spew out obvious lies about me, and insults and personal attacks. I'm not going to accept lessons from you.
    Actually, I only spend a small amount of my time posting about jews on PF. I have many interests that are much more important.
    Well, to be honest, it's often difficult to find similar news stories about non-jews. For example, in my informative and fact-based thread Non-Jews should not be allowed to live in Israel - Israel's Chief Rabbi I wrote about the jewish religious and political leader Ovadia Yosef who said that Arabs should be exterminated and that the sole purpose of non-jews is to serve jews. He was so influential that Israel's prime minister asked him for advice, and when he died over 800,000 jews attended his funeral.

    Now, if jews aren’t the only ones who behave like this, then I'm sure that you could give me lots of examples of contemporary Western religious and/or political leaders who have said the same things about non-whites and still enjoyed the same popularity that Yosef enjoyed in Israel.

    Are there French bishops and politicians who say that jews (or other non-whites) should be exterminated, and have countless followers, and are so respected and influential that the country's prime minister or president asks them for advice? How about German bishops and politicians? Or Italian? Or Spanish?
    Well then, call the police. What else can I say?
     
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    Sort of like the black guy I work with at work who starts every conversation with me " You know I ain't racist but " when it comes to discussing black/ white issues. I am really close to saying too him the next time he say's that to me " Sure, you are".
     
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    Exactly like that.

    Racists come in all colors and shapes which is the ultimate irony.
     
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    Well I'm not sorry since I cannot be responsible for what appears to be your complete lack of understanding of how everyone on the planet associates the "words coming out of one's mouth" and the type of person who is uttering them.

    I ain't trying to teach you anything. I am merely confronting your bigotry with my own.




    Yes its very hard to find similar stories about non-jews when one isn't looking for them.

    I find it rather humorous that you actually think you can mask your bigotry with indignation. about the only person its fooling is yourself.
     
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    I heard about this on radio, don't recall the details, other than older residents are losing a voice in their communities.

    It may help to know that the Orthodox are a real problem in Israel itself. Women are forced to either give up seats or even get off public buses. Women are not allowed at many holy shrines including the 'Wailing Wall'. It's almost like the way some Muslims behave.

    If anyone wants to become better informed on the conflicts within the Jewish community, or other issues concerning Jews. I recommend the Jewish Telegraph Agency at www.jta.org.

    There are also advocates fighting for equality in Israel, but I don't have their name on hand.

    I wonder; are there still neighborhoods in NYC that ban outsiders driving through on Saturdays? Seems I recall riots over that and other things several decades ago.
     
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    So you speak for "everyone on the planet"? I think that a lot of people would call that arrogant.
    That's why I asked you to give me some examples. And you couldn't. I find that interesting.
    Yes, I wrote about Israeli jews' treatment of women in the following thread:

    Jews in Israel produce "Holocaust pornography"

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ust-pornography.471746/page-3#post-1066975709
    Oh, I'm already there, dude.
     

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