If you remove monuments of slave owners, then also don't endorse the books they wrote (Bible).

Beyond a despicable statement by a president and unlimited arrogance, ignorant of the Bible since Christianity is the NT, not OT, and the NT also condemns male homosexuality, but mostly that any president who attacked the Bible to that degree would wouldn't stand a chance in hell of winning an election. West Wing was a liberals wet-dream fantasy in which all conservatives and Christians are delivering stupid and ignorant lines, portrayed as notably unlikable and made fun of.

It was also as that series became more and more radical leftwing and intensely hateful of Republicans, conservatives and Christians that it soon went off the air.

But, hey, that actor's kid turned out to be great, huh? Fantastic parenting.

 

Paul condemned homosexuality, Christ was utterly silent on the matter. In fact, Christ stressed all sinners, regardless of the sin, were equally damned, and the thought was as equally damning as the act. I'll go with the actual voice of authority and skip the opinion of a wannabe...

 

You are accurate. Jesus never addressed the topic of male homosexuality. However, it also is accurate that the in the West Wing segment above, only the OT was mentioned and then various OT rules contrasted. It is understood that most OT rules were set aside for gentiles in the NT.

 

Then why do so many American 'christians' refer to Leviticus when looking to (very selectively) justify which sins make others worthy of discrimination? You can't have it both ways...

 

I don't think most Americans,including most Christians "look" to anything. The listen to preachers and priests. But it also is false to claim anti-homosexuality sentiments necessarily stem from Christianity or religion.

 

Every Jew of the Bible is a descendant of a slave. Moses Parents were slaves and it's clear that in spite of his adoption into the Pharoah's family he strongly identified with his Hebrew parents who lived in far more vile conditions than most African-Americans ever knew.

 

Exactly the opposite. First hell is the natural end point of all humanity it isn't just your family that are sinners it is every last single human being that ever lived. The Biblical standard is God first everyone else second and your self third. If God isn't first, you will be. Underlying all sin is selfishness. God must act to keep you out of hell not send you there. And that fire is, in a manner of speaking, a last mercy as it takes your mind off of much worse things. The only problem is that to that which does not kill you, you eventually become inured.

 

Why should I? I see nothing to condemn, people do a lot of objectionable things homosexuality is an action in which you engage. It isn't like being Black or Asian or Caucasian whatever you think to the contrary.

 

An opinion based in self serving delusion but it is yours and you're welcome to it. I merely suggest that if you do not repent of it it will cost you in the end.

 

Yes they are but enough of this childishness. It is clear sir that you dislike God because he does not approve of your behavior or the behavior of your relatives. Sorry dude or dudette, as the case may be, but your opinion of what is righteous or sinful isn't worth a cup of spit in a tsunami. Using others to please yourself is sinful. It isn't love, whatever you might think, it is just using others that's the inherent problem with all sexual activity not sanctioned by the Bible.

 

When you stand in crap you will smell like crap.

60 years ago the "majority" thought Blacks shouldn't protest for their civil rights.

Please do stand with Wallace, Maddux, Fobbs and the rest. They do represent your side well.

Or, to put it another way...

My side:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

Your side:

"In the name of the greatest people that have ever trod this earth, I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny, and I say segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever."

You are known by the company you keep.

 

You do know that Wallace had a substantial change of heart just a few years later and enjoyed considerable black support.

Likewise Lester Maddox (governor of Georgia) is unfairly maligned. He employed black workers in his restaurant and later partnered with one of them. As governor he urged his state troopers to treat black citizens with respect and refrain from using racist terms.

 

Unless of course you're a Democrat then you can stand with the worst scum ever. You don't get to choose the people standing next to you on the curb. That all men are created equal means that even scumbags get a voice, but you don't have to listen to it if you don't want to.

 

^ In general a rule of thumb among the Democrats has been you can be as big a racist as anyone but as long as you continually vote for federal money to go to Democratic leaning groups then you can do what you wish.

 

This is mostly true, though it's hard to say that the words of Jesus would stand up to modern standards of ethics in a modern society. I'm not knocking him, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt given he was a religious man born 2000 years ago.

That said, there are large chunks of the bible that have nothing to do with Jesus. The old testament, which is often quoted and referred to by Christians for other moral issues, has little outrage over slavery.

 

Jefferson was away in Europe during the Constitutional Convention. He didn't help to write the Constitution, although years later he exerted his influence upon the national charter.

 

Wrong because Booth and his conspirators (who were hung) had many links to confederate intelligence.

 

First off, you seem to be referring to the Torah, not the Bible, but even so, the historical accuracy of Biblical accounts is debatable as little evidence exists for there being Hebrews in Egypt at the levels which we have been led to believe.

 

Ha, Pelosi's father dedicated a couple of Confederate statues.

 

Should we remove all statues and change the names of public entities named after MLK? He called homosexuality a "habit" and in need of a "good psychiatrist".

 

I'm not gay, but I defend gays because just "like being Black or Asian or Caucasian", be attracted to one's own gender is not a choice. A Muslim or Christian can leave their religion, but a person can't change their color, or be innately attracted to a gender that is not, uh, "god given" (sexual orientation is not a choice - skin color is not a choice - religion is INDEED a choice, however.)

 

Explain then the high level of homosexual behavior where people are by force of circumstances in the presence of ONLY members of their own sex.

Like prison.

 

Prison would be different of course. And only a small percentage of people are there. Free to choose partners of the sex they PREFER, outside of prison, it changes.

 

What garbage. The slavery discussed in Biblical accounts was nothing like the chattel slavery of the Confederacy. I know you hate religion but most atheists are at least intellectually honest.

 

The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock.

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.(Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)