If you remove monuments of slave owners, then also don't endorse the books they wrote (Bible).

An all-knowing god, a great role model, would have of course taught, instead, the Modern Secular Humanist belief of, basically, " no slavery". Your god is immoral. No one has probably ever told you that, but it's about time they get the truth out to you - if they love you, that is.

 

You have your criteria. Mine are not so draconian. Those who profess religions are seldom fundamentalists who interpret their scriptures literally (fortunately), and fewer still are always strictly in accordance with them anyway. Latitudinarians abound.

 

You know "innocent until proven guilty" is a LEGAL CONCEPT one that is not necessarily true in real life.

If you are accused of a crime and offer no alibi or contradictory argument then you will certainly be convicted and punished.

Likewise, "innocent until proven guilty" does not apply to many situations. For example, if you are caught driving while being impaired you suffer immediate consequences even without being "proven guilty".

 

You are indeed a decent person, and have a lot of potential left in you, I agree.
But let's say that, in the end, like me (probably), you DON'T help humanity as much as DaVinci nor Gandhi - can we agree then that you and I are NOT better than those two, so therefore it would NOT be fair that you (and I if I was a Christian still) ultimately get VASTLY BETTER rewards/punishment than those two? Seems fair to me, and Modern Secular Humanism is more fair than the Bible. How FAIR are you, Dayton3? As fair as MSH, or as unfair as god/Jesus?

 

You'll say ANYTHING to defend your immoral magic invisible friend who lives in the sky. Christians have many many times even defended god's GENOCIDE on this forum. Religion obviously robs people of their common sense and morality and their love of science.

 

In other words their texts are not really from god, or else they could indeed follow them as written - and yet they do believe those texts are from "god", so they are delusional. They need help.

 

That's one of many reasons why I believe that you are better than Jesus (he's dead.)

 

No, a better example would be that JESUS threw you in the lake IN THE FIRST PLACE, and then throws you the rope!!

 

I love science. Taught it last year for that matter. I'm one of the biggest supports of the space program.

But human life is God's to do with as he wishes.

If you build a house you also have a right to burn it to the ground. And God has a greater claim to the lives of humans than any human has a right to a house.

 

Yes, so would removing the Jews out of Auschwitz and making slaves out of them - that would have been an "improvement in their lot", but you seem to have such low standards that your only concern is "improving their lot".....a moral person, unlike god/Jesus, would say "no slavery", instead of going on and on and on about how to properly treat slaves - that's not much better than a Nazi concentration camp commander who wrote rules dictating "proper treatment of concentration camp inmates"!! See how that works?

 

Most gods don't seem disposed to help.

 

I knew you would say that. But Jesus was resurrected from the dead. There is ample evidence from people present who saw him after he died.


See the arguments in the movie "The Case for Christ".

 

Nonsense! When push comes to shove, you let your fear (fear of hell, and fear of heaven) trump science since you buy into the nonsense of the unscientific Bible (the geneologies add up to 4000 years from Adam to Jesus!)......wheres a person of science would of course condemn Jesus for approving of the Adam/Eve story since science shows us that Adam/Eve was false...and that also means no "original sin" (so no need to die on the cross) since Adam/Eve eating the forbidden fruit would be false since the story of Adam/Eve is provably false. The earth is about 4.5 billion years old, not roughly 6000 years old. Jesus has failed you - time to dump his ass.

 

We call people resurrected from the dead "zombies". Zombies are not real. They only want to put fear in your heart to get you to fatter up the church's coffers.

 

There is nothing whatsoever in the Bible about "4,000 years" or "6,000 years".

 

You need to understand WHY we have a statute of limitations (well, one reason): things handed down over 40 to 80 years (like the Bible), verbally(!) from often unknown sources, are NOT RELIABLE evidence.....and not admissible in court generally (not a court-room level of evidence)...that's because they are often WRONG. You are wrong about your invisible friend in the sky, and wrong about the 2000 years old invisible zombie who magically lives in an invisible elitist (no Hindus allowed, etc.) gated community up in the sky. I USED to be that gullible. I also USED to believe in a jolly guy who brought presents once per year with magic Reindeer.

 

So what DO the geneologies add up to!? Give us a NUMBER.

 

There is also nothing about "4.5 billion years", because the creator of the entire universe doesn't even know how old his creation (of earth) is! Uh, of course that's because the Bible is not from, or even inspired by, the creator of the universe at all.

 

That evidence is not ONE bit more convincing, to a court-room level of evidence, than the "evidence" for most OTHER invisible men who live in the sky is! (Krishna, Wotan, Allah, etc.)

 

If you had god/Jesus' magic super-powers, to help make his "children" not look so foolish, can we both agree that you would have simply told Moses "the earth is 4.5 billion years old"? I would have, since I'm guessing that I care for humanity more than you do - since Modern Secular Humanism cares about humanity more than Christianity does, of course.

 

But if it DID, then you'd DEFEND that as true, now wouldn't you? Can you answer this question, Dayton3?

 

Wrong. If knowing the punishment you continue to engage in the act you are a slave whether you know it or not. And in the Bible the Punishment was for those in Israel leave Israel and your home free.

 

Sexual preference is mostly what one is "born" with.

 

His monuments are COMING DOWN.

 

Any book that approves of buying slaves is immoral. The Bible is immoral. Christians who bring forward those barbaric passages are, well, immoral as well.