ISRAEL PREPARES FOR ANOTHER WAR WITH HEZBOLLAH AS IDF PRACTICES LEBANON INVASION

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  1. RiaRaeb

    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How do you see Hezbollah as a genuine threat to Israel? Do you think Hezbollah intends to invade Israel, I think not, but if you can show otherwise.
     
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    That would be great if it would solve the problem and all would live in peace. However, the Palestinian state would border Israel, and since the Palestinian charter calls for the destruction of Israel, they could and would attack Israel from their own border and Israel would invade and drive them back again and occupy another state instead of a territory. The Camp David Accords under Carter provided for
    such a package provided that the 'eliminate Israel' clause was eliminated from the Palestinian charter. Israel gave up much of the territory that they occupied after the 1973 war in anticipation of that happening, but to no avail. Hence, the current occupation.
     
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    You like to see yourself in print :)

    Sadly you are just spouting a load of nonsense. Do you know anything about the Middle East except hasbara and fake news ?

    Hezbollah have been protecting the people of Lebanon in conjunction with the government for several years while Israel was feeding, giving medical care and arming the terrorist groups al Nusra and ISIS. Israel also admitted they had made over 100 bombing runs into Syria, a soverign state, to provide cover for the terrorists head hackers. They were trying to overthrow Assad in his own country while
    Hezbollah was saving Christians fleeing US bombs and the terrorist groups savagery.

    Re Hamas, Israel helped found Hamas in the 80's as a foil to Arafat and Fatah. They then discarded them when they didn't like the result of the monitored, democratic elections in Gaza. They have used Gaza as a testing ground for new weaponry. callously killing thousands of civilians in the process and are also in the process of taking Palestinian owned oil and gas fields offshore from Gaza.

    You have a lot of reading to do jimmy.
     
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    Have you heard of different times zones ? He/she probably went to bed
     
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    Here is a quote from Hezbollah leader calling and planning to invade Israel just 5 days ago:
    https://english.alahednews.com.lb/essaydetails.php?eid=39917&cid=385#.Wa-9YC196w4
     
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    Have you heard of the Arab initiative ?It offered Israel normalisation of relations and trade with over 50 Arab nations.Israel ignored it completely

    "The Arab Peace Initiative, also known as the "Saudi Initiative", is a 10 sentence proposal for an end to the Arab–Israeli conflict that was endorsed by the Arab League in 2002 at the Beirut Summit and re-endorsed at the 2007 Arab League summit and at the 2017 Arab League summit."
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    I believe Gaza will be ruled by Egypt in the near future and there will be no Palestine in the West Bank because Israel has stolen too much of the land for a viable state of Palestine. Even the Palestinian Christians are suffering in the the West Bank. Israel treats them exactly the same as their Muslim neighbors who they get on very well with, taking their farms and property, demolishing their schools etc. They have taken a monastery and convent and land from 58 Christian families in the in the Cremisan Valley. Many of these are descendants of the original followers of Jesus

    http://www.indcatholicnews.com/news.php?viewStory=28274
     
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    Ah, is someone crying because they are not in the news anymore? Are you feeling left out? Bloody North Korea taking the spotlight off us!
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No it doesn't. For many years Hamas has said that it would accept a State based on the pre 67 lines. Just this year it upgraded it's Charter to state this and also removed the antisemitism from it's Charter


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/01/hamas-new-charter-palestine-israel-1967-borders

    Ironically it's 88 Charter was a response to the Likud Charter (77 I think). saying it would be taking all the land from the sea to the River. Israel not Hamas has been the one doing this but do you people ever complain about that, No. It now has got so that even Israeli posters on this forum happily make excuses for why they intend on making it so that they will have this land and the Palestinians shall live without rights forever.
     
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    Please keep your neocon Zionist agendas out of the Western world. Hezbollah isn't attacking us. ISIS is. And Hezbollah is fighting ISIS.

    If Israel wants to invade Iran to crush Hezbollah, then let it do so...in its own name, with its own army. It's a sovereign state so let it use the self-determination it holds so dear.

    If you like fighting for Israel that much then move there and enroll in the IDF. In the West you're just traitors to your countries by serving foreign interests over the interests of your nations.

    I honestly don't like either side of that conflict. I just don't want us to be used.
     
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    Whilst Christian church leaders issue a statement decrying Israeli attempts to weaken Christians in Jerusalem!

    The leading churches in Jerusalem issued a rare joint statement Tuesday condemning what they called "systematic" Israeli attempts to "weaken the Christian presence" in the city.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/af...emn-attempts-weaken-Christians-Jerusalem.html
     
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    Those lands were never part of Lebanon. They do plan on invading Israel. I provided proof that Hizbulla plans to attack Israel.
     
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    Thanks . Do you know that while Christians from all over the world can celebrate Christmas in Bethlehem and Easter in Jerusalem , Palestinian Christians in Gaza and the West Bank have to apply for passes which are mostly refused by Israel
     
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    Last time I checked Lebanon and Syria were two different countries.
    If Syria has something to do with Israel, so they can talk about it.
    Hizbulla does plan to invade Israel. Prof was provided by its leader speech.
     
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    Those lands, a tiny strip of land rather were part of Lebanon until 1967. It is not recognised as Israeli land and UN peacekeepers have been stationed there for years.

    What was really said in the article you posted

    "Meanwhile, he urged the Lebanese state to take a sovereign decision to liberate occupied territories from "Israeli" occupation.

    "We are waiting for another sovereign decision because there is Lebanese territory still under the "Israeli" occupation, the Shebaa farms and Kafrshuba hills. We call on the Lebanese state to plan for its liberation by a sovereign decision," His Eminence said."

    No where in that article does it say all of Israel, just the lands Israel stole in 1967
     
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    The Shia in Lebanon were originally Israel's friends. They invited them into their houses and gave them cups of tea when they arrived, pleased that they would be getting rid of the Palestinians. However Israel refusing to leave gave rise to Hezbollah who Uri Avnery does not believe are a terrorist group.
    http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1458312541/

    Strange as it may seem to Israeli supporters but other countries have a right to protect themselves.

    Hezbollah would have been disbanded when Israel left if she had not held onto some Lebanese territory and they are forever talking about getting it back just as Israel is forever talking about its next Lebanon war.
     
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    Are you saying the land is not occupied by Israel?
     
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    And you gleaned this from the Catholic news. Israel did not steal land. They occupied the land after being attacked twice, in 1967
    and 1963. They occupied the territory to create a buffer zone. If Mexico attacked us, do you think that we would simply drive them
    back over the border? No, we would occupy some Mexican territory as a buffer. Makes sense. The Arabs may have have made an offer of peace, but who is going to control the Palestinians who want the annihilation of Israel?
     
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    I presume you feel the same about Abkhazia and South Ossetia?
     
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    Regardless (and I doubt that they have removed anything from their charter, and still preach death to Israel to their school children), Hamas and the Palestinians want the destruction of Israel, whether or not they accept a state. That only means that Israel will be attacked by another country.
     
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    I never heard of them.
     
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    Hamas, an Israeli creation has long since said it will accept 67 lines. They made clear when they were working with Alistair Crook from MI6 that the only reason they would not recognise Israel was because Israel would not recognise Palestine.

    http://www.geneva-accord.org/mainmenu/interview-with-alistair-crook


    Had the US wanted a resolution to Israel/Palestine this could have been found, from the Palestinian side at least, before Bush convinced Blair to convince the EU to stop working on conflict resolution and getting two states but instead to allow Israel freedom to use her world class army against civilians and put Palestinian political activists in jail without trial, as well as of course murdering Palestinian Political leaders.


    https://www.lrb.co.uk/v33/n05/alastair-crooke/permanent-temporariness


    It is Israel who now and always has been working on destroying the Palestinian people while she takes more and more of their land. It is American Christian Zionists and neo cons who have been and are complicit in helping Israel taking the land from those it belongs to. Shame.

    This is the valid link to the Geneva Accord above.- re Hamas and acceptance of Israel
    http://www.geneva-accord.org/mainmenu/interview-with-alistair-crook

    Sometimes this site keeps linking everything to a previous link. I have not as yet found out how to stop it. That was the problem.
     
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    Iranian Monitor always struck me as incredibly patient as he responded again and again to malicious abuse. I do not blame him for leaving due to the constant abuse and personal insults he suffered. It is just somewhat sad it is he who had to leave and not his abusers.
     
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    Bill Clinton negotiated a peace proposal that Arafat turned down at the last minute. Israel agreed to return territory and work toward a
    Palestinian state. Arafat wanted it done immediately.
    Hamas and other terrorists groups had their origins during the Carter years with
    the Iranian hostage crisis.
     
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