MSM Placed On Notice About Using SPLC As Arbiter Of Hate Group Status

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  1. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    I would think it obvious if you use the same political tactics as fascist scpegoating threats and violence to silence free speech then the difference between you and a fascist is essentially nil.
     
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    Apparently morality has no relevance when one crafts such a false equivalency. And that for sure is obvious.
     
  3. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    You speak sir of a false morality. Like actions should beget like condemnation or praise as the case may be. In the case of Charlottesville no one covered themselves with glory just muck, garbage, and nastiness. The minute you start to believe that the ends justify the means you abandon any pretense at morality.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I said nothing about what you are talking about.

    Apparently you cannot preceive the moral difference between racist hate and hate of racists.

    are you familiar with newton's conservation of energy? REACTION to racist scumbag actions is not even remotely morally equivalent to said scumbag actions.
     
  5. Tim15856

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    What makes you think I am defending them? See my other post on the topic.
     
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    Aww, bless, the ignorant little **** is at it again.
     
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    That puts you into an even more racist group that think that only Whites & Christians are the only significant racist haters in the world.
     
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    Oh dear, they actually do.
     
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    Have you spent six years making such little contribution?

    Should probably find another hobby.
     
  10. Space_Time

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    Here's more;

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-i...by-the-southern-poverty-law-center-1505171221




    OPINION COMMENTARY

    What It’s Like to Be Smeared by the Southern Poverty Law Center

    I paid a professional price when the group attacked me in 2009. Now I wear its mud as a badge of honor.

    SPLC President Richard Cohen at a press conference in Washington, Nov. 29, 2016. PHOTO: WIN MCNAMEE/GETTY IMAGES

    By Carol M. Swain

    Sept. 11, 2017 7:07 p.m. ET

    656 COMMENTS

    Richard Cohen, president of the Southern Poverty Law Center, was to testify before the House Homeland Security Committee about threats posed by domestic extremist groups. The hearing, scheduled for Tuesday, has been postponed because of Hurricane Irma. As a black conservative who has been smeared by the SPLC, I recommend against reinviting Mr. Cohen.


    When Morris Dees and Joseph J. Levin Jr. started the SPLC in 1971, it was needed and it had noble goals. In recent years, however, it has become a tool of the radical left. Domestically, it uses its influence to paint with a broad brush that smears immigration restrictionists, orthodox Christian churches and pro-family organizations as “hate groups.”


    What landed me in the SPLC’s crosshairs was a Sept. 10, 2009, Huffington Post blog entry titled “Mission Creep and the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Misguided Focus.” I pointed out the SPLC’s silence about video footage released after the 2008 elections showing members of the New Black Panther Party, decked out in full paramilitary regalia, patrolling a polling precinct in Philadelphia where they were clearly intimidating white voters.

    Although several news organizations covered the story, the SPLC ignored the incident. At the time, the law center was spending an inordinate amount of time attacking then-CNN host Lou Dobbs for his relentless focus on illegal immigration. It demanded that CNN fire the anchor. After CNN and Mr. Dobbs parted ways, the SPLC took credit for getting him off the air. I ended my post with a one-liner that raised the ire of the organization and had a devastating effect on my life. I wrote: “Rather than monitoring hate groups, the Southern Poverty Law Center has become one.”


    The SPLC’s retaliation was vicious and effective. On Oct. 17, 2009, my photo appeared on the front page of my local newspaper, the Tennessean, with the headline “ Carol Swain is an apologist for white supremacists.” That was a quote from Mark Potok, at the time the SPLC’s national spokesman. The context for Mr. Potok’s attack was a review I gave for a film titled “A Conversation About Race.” I endorsed it for classroom use because it offered a perspective on race rarely encountered on university campuses. Mr. Potok argued that the filmmaker was a bigot. I felt then and now that the perspective needed to be heard.


    This negative article was featured on the front pages of several newspapers and it went viral, especially in black media outlets. The attacks did not subside until this newspaper’s website published a lengthy article titled “In Defense of Carol Swain.”


    Being targeted by the SPLC has had a lasting impact on my life and career. Offers from other universities ended and speaking opportunities declined. Once you’ve been smeared in this way, mainstream news outlets are less likely to cite you as an expert of any kind.


    Yet today I wear the SPLC’s mud as a badge of honor because I know I am in the company of many good men and women who have been similarly vilified for standing for righteousness and truth. Other SPLC targets have included Ben Carson (who eventually received an apology and retraction), Somali refugee Ayaan Hirsi Ali, terrorism expert Steve Emerson, political scientist Guenter Lewy (who successfully sued the SPLC), attorney Robert Muise, Frank Gaffney of the Center for Security Policy, and Princeton professor Robert P. George. The SPLC has tagged Mr. George, a devout Catholic intellectual, as “anti-LGBT.”


    Whatever label the SPLC assigns, such smears are harmful and designed to destroy the individual’s credibility and ability to have influence in the public square.


    Some of those vilified by the SPLC have been subjected to even worse treatment. The Family Research Council and House Majority Whip Steve Scalise have been violently attacked by individuals inspired by the propaganda the SPLC regularly dishes out—which is often accepted without criticism and passed on by media, law-enforcement agencies and universities.



    The SPLC should not be dignified with invitations to provide congressional testimony about domestic extremism as long as it continues to advance a transparently partisan agenda—one Mr. Potok has publicly acknowledged is designed to “destroy” groups it opposes.


    Ms. Swain, a former professor of political science and law at Vanderbilt University, is author of “The New White Nationalism in America: Its Challenge to Integration.”


    Appeared in the September 12, 2017, print edition.
     
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    Hate sir is hate. IN the end it leads only to mutual destruction. Hate is the least rational of emotions and the most self destructive. Their are hate ideas Racism, and totalitarianism among many others but you can not destroy hate with hate. You merely strengthen it's resolve and empower it.
     
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    Hate created the Ku Klux Klan, Jim Crow, Poll Tax and Literacy laws, Segregation, and the 1940's internment camps from the Japanese, Germans and Italians. This was all caused by the DEMOCRATIC Party. But hey, today they claim to be the arbiters that define what hate is.
     
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    I can't perceive the difference, myself. And your analogy leaves me baffled.
     
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    I totally understand how nuance can be elusive to some.

    I also understand how racists cannot grasp that their own hatred is the source for others to hate them right back.

    Of course morality is a slippery thing when it comes to justifying ones' own racism, so I am not surprised that you are baffled.
     
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    You can destroy hate with hate as history has proven since time immemorial.


    I beleive that confronting hatred by hating the haters is merely maintaining the universal kharmic balance.
    Do unto others as they do unto you, has been a persistent theme in human interaction.
     
  16. Pycckia

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    Well, I don't hate anyone. Why should I hate a people just because they are less competent or intelligent?

    I think American cars are inferior to German cars. That is not because I hate America and it does not lead me to hate America.

    I don't think racism is a moral issue at all. It is a scientific one. But because you make it a moral issue you think that you are ennobled by hating racists. It is just a cheap way for you to feel superior.
     
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    Wait...so hating racism is as bad as the racism itself?

    On what planet?

    Does that apply to pedophilia as well?
     
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    They would classify Mr. Rogers, Captain Kangaroo, and Ronald McDonald as racists.

    It's a nasty, divisive organization.
     
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    Wait...so hating racism is as bad as the racism itself?
    On what planet?
    Does that apply to pedophilia as well?

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    LOL! That's what I was trying to figure out. Put on notice by whom? But now I see.

    Peewee Herman put Trump on notice as well. NOW Trump is in trouble!!!
     
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    Yes I am always swayed by arguments that compare people to inanimate manufactured goods.

    I agree Racism is a scientific issue. It is scientific fact that ALL humans are members of a SINGLE race. Seems your understanding of science isn't.

    I don't feel "ennobled" by my visceral hatred of racist haters. I simply feel human.

    I find it amusing you don't see the irony in the fact that racism actually is the cheapest way of feeling false superiority.
     
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    Your the one who started that analogy with something about physics.

    No, my understanding isn't. My understanding is that human biodiversity can be analyzed into several clusters that correspond to the various races. This has been demonstrated again and again, for instance:

    http://racialreality.blogspot.com/2005/06/racial-clusters-manifested-again.html

    Humans are members of a single species. But so are dogs. Yet nobody would deny significant and important differences between breeds of dogs.

    Humans evolved into different races just as dogs evolved into different breeds.

    You don't? Your whole shtick here is how much more moral you are than racists. Heck, now you are asserting that racists are subhuman!

    It is certainly not cheap! Racists are constantly and unfairly reviled for asserting our reasoned beliefs despite the fact they are well supported by evidence. Heck, we are reviled because our beliefs are so well founded.

    If you had scientific evidence for your position you would assert it instead of having to rely on moral arguments.

    Yours is the cheap, safe way to assert superiority.
     
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    Just like dogs.






    No, my whole shtick is how much I hate racists, not how much more moral I am. I did not "assert" racists to be subhuman, but I will assert that conceit over one's accident of birth is a pathetic aspect of human nature.




    Flew right over your head I see.
     
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    SPLC is known for its bias. No one I know takes it seriously. Then again, I don't hangout with Antifa terrorists like the left wing does
     
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