Why does everyone hate the white nationalist cause?

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  1. Ronstar

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    provide an article attesting to the Germanic origin of the Celts
     
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    How would I know that?
     
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    Anyone who would like/dislike someone simply because of their DNA is the lowest form crap on the planet. End of story.
     
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    That's not what I asked.
     
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    Natural intuition, experience. Same way anybody knows anything.
     
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    I think people who sell out their own people for shekels or votes are the worst.
     
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    What are the specific parameters of a "white" person?
     
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    Would you be asking this same question about black people? Or, when you see a black person from time to time, you just instinctively think "hey look, a black person!"
     
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    You know I would.

    Yes, people notice differences between each other. I notice differences between myself and other nominally "white" people as well. But that does not mean those differences represent a meaningful distinction between us.
     
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    It would if you cared about the survival of your own race. Though I remember you saying a while back that you have Ashkenazi in your background, so I understand the indifference and/or antipathy on this issue.
     
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    I thought I was. I did a DNA test recently and nothing relating to Jewishness showed up, although there was a very small amount of my DNA that came from the Caucasus region, which includes, among other areas, the Levant. At any rate, I am almost exclusively Germanic, so even if I did have a small amount of Jewish DNA, it wouldn't really change anything.

    Anyway, I can only care about the survival of my own "race" if the concept of "race" is meaningful. I asked you what specific parameters define a "white" person and you neglected to provide an answer. So why should I care about the survival of something that you cannot even define in any specific or meaningful way?
     
  13. Brewskier

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    I believe it's part of human nature to identify with your own people. We're tribal creatures by nature. We identify with our family first, then our clan, then ultimately our race, who we share much of the same genetics with. When I meet people who are from my area of the world I feel closer to them than I would somebody who is much further away because I know that, going back many generations, we likely had ancestors who knew each other, lived with each other, maybe even started families together.

    Also, there are unique genetic traits that some groups have that others don't. I think distinctly white traits like blond hair, red hair, blue eyes, and light skin are beautiful qualities and I don't wish to see them lost in a sea of brownness in the future. I think that would be a real loss for human diversity, but what's most ironic is that the people who are eager to extinguish these traits are the ones who say they want diversity. I think the people who historically had these traits produced some wonderful cultures that I would also like to see continue forward in the future.

    I can't make you care about this issue. If you are determined to view a sub-Saharan African in the same way that you would view your fellow Germans, that's your prerogative. It's coming from Jewish concepts of egalitarianism that have been in existence for a relatively short amount of time given the time span we are looking at, here, that you've internalized. For they have always been a mixed race group, and since many of them believe themselves to be superior to everyone else ("God's chosen people), they believe that mixing the world will make for a better humanity. I don't agree with this. I think it's actually their way of bringing uniformity to the world which they then hope to control for their own benefit.
     
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    Brewskier has every right to ask for white nationalism.

    We have every right to tell him his philosophy is ****** ** and will never happen in the USA.
     
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    According to whom? And if so, who cares?
     
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    I don't view them as the same. I view them as distinct cultures. And I personally prefer the Germanic culture to the sub-Saharan African culture. But culture and race are not the same thing. A nominally "black" person can fully assimilate into the loosely defined Germanic culture, whereas a nominally "white" person can seek to subvert and destroy it. In fact, most of the people trying to destroy my cultural heritage are other "white" people, so why would I feel any kinship towards them?
     
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    I don't believe a black person could fully assimilate into Germanic culture, anymore than I would in a Japanese culture. Sure, I could live there, learn their language, obey their laws, pay respect to their traditions, but I won't ever truly be a Japanese person. I have no history there. I have no roots or ancestry there. Nobody who would look at me would consider me a Japanese person.

    But how are those "white" people (who are likely Jewish or in-league, if you dig deep enough) destroying your cultural heritage? By subverting the culture with their own, and bringing in massive amounts of people who are not of your heritage. They primarily destroy your heritage by replacing you. That's why most predominantly white European countries on Earth are currently being bombarded with immigration from the non-white world.
     
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    Plenty of "black" people have adopted Germanic culture. Just as a few notable examples, there is Ben Carson, Thomas Sowell, Walter E. Williams, etc. I consider them my allies.

    The destruction of my cultural heritage started long before the mass immigration of non-European peoples to America and was spearheaded almost exclusively by other white people.
     
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    The Romans left behind writing which gives us insight in to their though process. Books have been written by scholars who have specifically studied the views on racial and cultural differences which is the basis for my statements.

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    In this richly illustrated account of black-white contacts from the Pharaohs to the Caesars, Frank Snowden demonstrates that the ancients did not discriminate against blacks because of their color. For three thousand years Mediterranean whites intermittently came in contact with African blacks in commerce and war, and left a record of these encounters in art and in written documents. The blacks--most commonly known as Kushites, Ethiopians, or Nubians--were redoubtable warriors and commanded the respect of their white adversaries. The overall view of blacks was highly favorable. In science, philosophy, and religion color was not the basis of theories concerning inferior peoples. And early Christianity saw in the black man a dramatic symbol of its catholic mission. This book sheds light on the reasons for the absence in antiquity of virulent color prejudice and for the difference in attitudes of whites toward blacks in ancient and modern societies


    https://www.amazon.com/Before-Color...315910&sr=8-1&keywords=before+color+prejudice


    They waged wars against groups in Africa as well but they respected them more for the level of cultural achievement and had better interactions with them than they did Northern European tribes. This supports my point that cultural attitudes on race can change over a period of time. In antiquity the Greeks and Romans were far less racist to Africans than Northern Europeans were from 500 years ago to the present and in only the last 50 years there have been drastic changes in racial attitudes in most Western countries. This shows that racism is not natural, racist attitudes to not develop because of biological differences between people (but rather perceptions), they can vary by time and place and people can change their minds on racial issues.



    My point is that cultures can change dramatically over time so there's no such thing as an authentic racial culture. There is no "racial essence" to European cultures or Japanese or any other Asian cultures. They can change because of internal interactions or external influences. That is the nature of cultural development. Your culture can change over time due to new ideas and facing new challenges or it can change due to encountering other groups of people.


    You don't know what I believe nor have you tried to understand my views. I've never said that Blacks were morally superior or would have treated Native Americans differently nor have I said that Native Americans would have treated Europeans or Africans differently if they had sailed to their shores and interacted with them. I've never argued that Europeans are inherently evil and the "Noble Savage" is not a concept I came up with or endorse. We're all human. We have a common human nature and the ability to make choices. Some people make very bad choices. Europeans didn't have to go over to America wage war on Native Americans and force them off their land. They didn't have to go to Africa and enslave millions of people to profit from their labor. They did this because those in power were greedy and took advantage of those who were not as technologically advanced as them at the time.

    Doing this does not make you superior either. For all we know there is some Alien civilization out there that will come to Earth one day with more advanced technology and zap us all with lasers like the movie Independence Day and take all of Earth's natural resources for themselves without caring about our history, culture or civilizations and claim they did it because they were superior. If that happens (there are scientific reasons why I don't believe it would but I'm just giving you a hypothetical scenario to make a point) people like you would look rather foolish arguing over superficial differences between humans when an Alien species that is vastly different from us biologically and not even from our planet takes advantage of our lack of unity driving us all to extinction.

    I for one am not calling for mass immigration but rather promoting social equality. You seem to be fixated on the damage immigration can do to Western societies if there are too many of them and they make you a minority (so you no longer have power?) while I am interested in how people treat one another and being fair to everybody.

    You were saying that Blacks were better dancers because of their culture and that Whites have been influenced by this dancing which implies that Blacks have better practice at dancing. They simply have a different cultural tradition. The tradition is not superior. It's not just different and it's not different because of biological differences.

    I don't know. I've seen some White girls doing some incredible twerking and even winning dance contests that had Blacks girls as contestants.





    You can't seem to see this as anything other than a Black/White issue. You are the one displaying bias and an unwillingness to understand your opponent's view not me. I provided a link to an interview with an evolutionary biologist who directly addresses issues of human biological variation, intelligence and athletic ability? Did you bother to read it? No? Because the Marxist Jews control academia right? You try to make arguments and when you get shutdown you make excuses for why your view is not being accepted while claiming your opponent is biased. Go back and read the actual article. These illustrations alone prove how out of touch with reality you are when it comes to your perception of what you think my views are.

    http://www.understandingrace.org/lived/sports

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    The Black athletic superiority argument is just a ruse that White Supremacists use to point to an example of Blacks doing something better than others and then claim they are inferior in other ways, like intelligence. You then have the audacity to claim that because I'm Black I'm ok with is (as if I haven't done any actual research) but unwilling to accept Whites or other groups being better than Blacks at any thing. Well I just showed you research showing that other populations besides Africans have athletic abilities they are better at because of genetic differences. Now what?


    Most poor Whites are not concentrated to the inner city where a lot of crime occurs. When people are in close proximity to each other AND they're poor there is greater potential to commit crime. Our gun laws are also a major factor in these crime rates. These gangs are committing these crimes at high rates because they are able to go to gun stores and stock up on ammo to commit these crimes. The drug dealers aren't producing drugs out of then air either. They are involved with drug cartels which includes White businessmen putting drugs in Urban communities and then fighting over them. You want to claim this is evidence of Black propensity for violence and dysfunction. White Americans of English descent made the same arguments about the Irish and Italians they congregated to inner cities and many of them were involved in organized crime.

    Oh and actually Hispanic crime rates are becoming alarmingly high because of gang violence. Crime is not a Black problem. There are criminals in every culture. There are Asian criminals who form gangs as well. Are you familiar with the Yakuza and Triads? Trying to link criminal activity to the innate behaviorally tendencies of races is just a tactic racists use to justify their racism. If you were truly concerned with crime you would be focused on ways to reduce crime rates rather than vilifying whole groups of people which includes many law-abiding citizens.

    If people can choose how to behave then that completely destroys the argument that racial tensions are due to innate differences in behavior.

    I'm not saying they had no moral order. They had their own cultures but they did engage in bizarre cultural practices. Bizarre by today's standards. Also I'd like to see you prove that Jews are behind all of the bizarre and disgusting pornography fetishes out there. As if there weren't plenty of White gentiles involved in producing pornography. You sound like someone who would blame Jews for anything. Next I'm going to be hearing that Jews are responsible for the extinction of the dinosaurs!
     
  20. Brewskier

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    They agree with you politically, but how do they remind you of the Saxons, the Norse, the Goths, the Lombards, the Franks, and the others?


    How, though?
     
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    My political beliefs are integral to my cultural identity.

    Let's start with the rift between the north and the south.

    You had predominately English northerners vying for political control with predominately Celtic southerners, culminating in an invasion of the south that resulted in the near total destruction of Celtic political society in America.
     
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    They were not considered white by Americans a century ago.
     
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    This is veering close to "we wuz kangz". Roman and Greek involvement with Africans was located almost exclusively in North Africa, where many of them were mixed race. They came into contact with mercenaries, statesmen, and other "well-to-do" types. Did they come into contact with 60 IQ sub-Saharan Africans at that time, which Northern Europeans had more experience with later on? That might explain some of the discrepancy.

    But it doesn't surprise me that the Greeks and Romans didn't like the Northern European "barbarians". They were at war with them and hated each other. They dehumanized each other similarly to how we dehumanized the Germans as apes during WWII. The Romans wanted to spread their Jewish culture North to the "uncivilized" masses, who violently rejected their efforts.

    Of course there's a racial essence to these cultures, which is why these races each developed distinctly different cultures from each other over time. There's a difference between a culture naturally changing among its people and forcing a change by trying to replace them with somebody else, which is what we are talking about.


    I'm not concerned about aliens, except maybe illegal aliens who are invading my country. I simply want my own sub-species of humanity to survive the conquest efforts of people like you.

    Your concepts of "fairness" are based on radical egalitarianism (except for a few black advantages that you don't want to abandon) which is a left-wing, Marxist, Jewish ideology, which I feel is destructive to humanity. The natural order is that some people are naturally better at some things than others. Some people are more capable than others. Marxism harms the strong and brings them down to the lowest common denominator, which keeps humanity from progressing.


    You continually misrepresent my point, which is appearing intentional. I said modern dancing. Of course blacks are going to be better at what we consider to be dancing in the modern sense. It's more related to the kind of dancing they've been doing for thousands of years.

    I bet you have. I think I remember saying something about how lower class whites tend to act like lower class blacks. The (((media))) pushes this kind of degeneracy to the lowest common denominator, who is usually not smart enough to know they are being manipulated. (((They))) want whites and blacks to pair up, which is agenda driven, and making black culture into the hip and cool thing will encourage those vulnerable whites into discarding their own culture in exchange for another. White genocide is the ultimate goal, and there is many fronts of it all occurring at the same time.

    You didn't show that, you gave a source that explains that the only reason whites are better than blacks at Winter sports is that they have more money to buy sporting equipment and they live in areas with snow. The assumption is that blacks would be just as good as whites, or better, if they had more money and grew up around these sports. That's completely different than my argument. Blacks are better runners and jumpers because they have a biological advantage in these things, so they are going to excel at certain sports, like sprinting, which blacks have dominated for decades.

    We had poor whites living in inner cities back before the "diverse" crowds caused them to go elsewhere, and they weren't killing each other like blacks have in Chicago and other cities.

    Yeah right, those gang members are walking into gun stores and legally purchasing their firearms and ammo, lol. How are they passing the background checks, I wonder?

    Hispanics and Asians commit a fraction of the violent crime than blacks do, even though, combined, there are nearly twice as many Hispanics and Asians in the country compared to blacks. I focus on blacks because they are committing a disproportionately high amount of crime compared to these other groups. Asians? Really? I'm supposed to worry about them, when they are statistically the least likely group in society (even compared to whites) to commit violent crime?

    Racial tensions are due to conflicting differences between groups which are manifested by their respective cultures. Like I mentioned earlier about Marxism, it reduces everything down to the lowest common denominator. Before the Marxist revolutions of the 1960's, degeneracy was stigmatized. Since then, it has become accepted and even celebrated.

    Jews have had a disproportionately high level of involvement in the development of pornography.

     
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    "Own" people? Really... I'm a white, middle-aged male of German heritage and there is simply no way you would be one of "my" people. I'd rather associate with a snake than hang with a KKK dude.
     
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    You can change your political beliefs at any time. You can't, however, change your ancestry.


    As you know, I agree with you on the topic of the Civil War, but you're being dramatic here. The South killed over 100,000 more people than the North did. There were still many Celtic Southerners.
     

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