When Islamic ‘occupation of Europe’ becomes a reality

Discussion in 'Latest US & World News' started by MGB ROADSTER, Sep 13, 2017.

  1. One Mind

    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2014
    Messages:
    20,296
    Likes Received:
    7,744
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Given most muslims prefer sharia, this goes beyond some practioner's interpretation. So, they have nothing to offer the west, that another religion like christianity or buddhism or taoism cannot provide, without the muslim/infidel paradigm.

    If that relatonship with god as you put it, involves islam being the state religion, and just tolerating the other religions, which is the best case scenerio from islam.

    It would be such poetic justice if your team could end up in a majority muslim nation. Many of you would be hurled off of buildings, sooner or later. Yes homosexuality is well tolerated within islam, any flavor of islam. So they have much to offer the west, which is filled with homosexuals. At least christians just do not want to marry them in their churches.
     
  2. One Mind

    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2014
    Messages:
    20,296
    Likes Received:
    7,744
    Trophy Points:
    113
    True. But how many non terrorists are agreeable, in private, to terror attacks against western infidels? According to some ex muslims, the percentage is quite high. Most germans would never have put jews in death camps. But they didn't raise hell about it either. See how this works in the real world?

    Islam, because of its inability to modernize, due to its book of rules, the koran, will remain a clear and present danger to modern civilization. To secularism as opposed to theocracy. We got away from theocracy in the west and should not find it acceptable at all. And yet, if your laws of the land is sharia, what is that, if not a theocracy? And most muslims prefer this law. If they are in the majority, what is to stop them from getting it? Nothing, given enough time.
     
    rover77 likes this.
  3. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,457
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    yeah cause they clearly have a very bigoted and personal grudge against Islam
     
  4. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    May 25, 2012
    Messages:
    55,518
    Likes Received:
    27,044
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Xenophobia and bigotry. The people wringing their hands over the situation in Europe are fear mongers who just need something to be worked up about. If it weren't Muslims in Europe, it would be some other group. Guaranteed.
     
    PT78 likes this.
  5. PT78

    PT78 Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2015
    Messages:
    2,780
    Likes Received:
    2,122
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Yup.

    The funny/sad thing is they actually seem to be COMPLETELY blind to this fact...and many of the rest of us see it so INCREDIBLY clearly...like someone who does not realize the mirror they are looking into is two way.
     
  6. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2016
    Messages:
    19,496
    Likes Received:
    9,006
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Depends on what you were trying to accomplish.
     
  7. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2016
    Messages:
    19,496
    Likes Received:
    9,006
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Is there a rational reason why someone shouldn't dislike Islam? What do you find attractive about it?
     
  8. PT78

    PT78 Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2015
    Messages:
    2,780
    Likes Received:
    2,122
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I think all major religions are for the weak and/or the ignorant and/or the desperate. It's all utter nonsense to me.

    And there are a TON of things in the Bible that are pathetic and wrong (like approving of slavery and the murder of slaves, etc.)...so if you hate Islam for what is said in their God Club Manual. Then you better also hate Christianity for what is in it's God Club Manual...or you are a hypocrite on this subject.
     
  9. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2011
    Messages:
    39,871
    Likes Received:
    11,452
    Trophy Points:
    113

    they have all kinds of HUMAN CAPITAL to offer the west, but from both a religious and "life style" perspective I violently agree that they have little or nothing to offer the west.

    I totally disapprove of "state religions" just like I totally disapprove of "religious law". Funny how some people are completely and utterly binary. they appear to lack the concept of multidimensional thinking let alone nuance.

    You seem such a bundle of soul eating phobias concerning "others", I feel for your Single mind.
     
    Last edited: Sep 20, 2017
  10. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2011
    Messages:
    39,871
    Likes Received:
    11,452
    Trophy Points:
    113

    thanks for the insight into how your mind works.

    I wasn't talking about the 2nd amendment. I was talking about FEAR.

    Seems a comparison of the LEVELS OF FEAR that you exhibit about differing existential threats to your person is irrelevant to your own paranoia of the subject at hand.
     
  11. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2011
    Messages:
    39,871
    Likes Received:
    11,452
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I think everyone should be protected from bigoted hate speech.


    and yes Muslims can be as bigoted as Klansman and goosestepper.

    When it comes to people being people its always the "others" who are worse.
     
  12. Brewskier

    Brewskier Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2011
    Messages:
    48,910
    Likes Received:
    9,641
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    That would hinge upon your own personal subjective opinion on what constitutes "bigoted hate speech", and thankfully the 1st Amendment makes this irrelevant. Sorry to the "hate whitey" contingent, but brown people can be criticized as well for their ideas and actions.
     
    Fred C Dobbs likes this.
  13. OldManOnFire

    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2008
    Messages:
    19,980
    Likes Received:
    1,177
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I'd say you're ****ed!

    Unless you wish to round up Muslims and kill them, like some guy did to others in Germany a while back, your 1.7 million member society with normal breeding practices will eventually hit critical mass...a majority of some populations. The same will happen in the USA as Hispanics will rise to about 25% of the US population soon, which is enough for 'them' to take over government and the country.

    As long as you prefer an 'us' against 'them' scenario, when 'they' are winning at something you will be the loser. It is this idea that a person who believes they are a loser will have terminal unhappiness and hatred of 'others'. And all of this is 100% out of your hands!

    The only way to solve your problem is for all people, no matter their cultures or religions or eating habits, etc. to 100% assimilate into society. And society is a single group of people who care more about society than they do about themselves...
     
  14. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2016
    Messages:
    19,496
    Likes Received:
    9,006
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I don't "hate" Christians for what the Bible says nor do I "hate" Muslims.. I believe Muslims to be foolish not for what the Koran says, though it deeply ignorant book, but for the actions Muslims take from the teachings of the Koran.

    There are many foolish teachings in this world but educated people are generally able to tell the difference on whether it makes sense or not. If it preaches harm to others, and people follow those teachings, then it should be condemned for what it is, as should the followers of those teachings.
     
  15. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2016
    Messages:
    19,496
    Likes Received:
    9,006
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Mexicans don't have an "us against them" philosophy but a significant number of Muslims do. It is Muslims committing acts of terror against innocent people, not Mexicans.
     
  16. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,457
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    very small minority of Muslims commit terrorism
     
    Guno likes this.
  17. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2016
    Messages:
    19,496
    Likes Received:
    9,006
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Unfortunately "a very small minority" of 1.7 billion Muslims can still hold a lot of fanatics. With a lot of support as well.

    There really shouldn't be any Islamic terrorists, should there? Where do they get the idea that murdering innocent people is a good thing?
     
  18. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,457
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    hmmm..where did they get such an idea?

    [​IMG]
     
    Guno likes this.
  19. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2016
    Messages:
    19,496
    Likes Received:
    9,006
    Trophy Points:
    113
    That's what I'm asking you. Where do Muslims get the idea that it's okay to murder innocent people?
     
  20. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,457
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Are you saying The West has never chosen to kill innocent people during wartime?

    LOL!!!1
     
  21. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2016
    Messages:
    19,496
    Likes Received:
    9,006
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No. I'm asking, for the third time "Where do Muslims get the idea that it's okay to murder innocent people?".

    You seem to be saying that Islam is at war with countries all over the world, wherever there is Islamic terrorism, and I tend to agree.

    Or are you just having problems with the question?

    Is there a reason for that?
     
  22. PT78

    PT78 Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2015
    Messages:
    2,780
    Likes Received:
    2,122
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Okay, I get much of that.

    But I do not think you should dislike someone for no other reason than the religion they follow.

    Judging people strictly on their religion is not a good idea. Judging them on how they conduct their lives is what counts to me.
     
  23. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,457
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The West taught them that lesson during WW2, Vietnam, Korea, and Israel's support of Christian militias in Lebanon.
     
  24. dixon76710

    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2010
    Messages:
    58,376
    Likes Received:
    4,438
    Trophy Points:
    113
    [3.151] We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.

    [2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.(*)

    [2.193] And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah...(*)

    2.216] Fighting is enjoined on you, and h is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know.

    [2.246] ...May it not be that you would not fight if fighting is ordained for you? They said: And what reason have we that we should not fight in the way of Allah, and we have indeed been compelled to abandon our homes and our children. But when fighting was ordained for them, they turned back, except a few of them, and Allah knows the unjust.

    [3.169] And reckon not those who are killed in Allah's way as dead; nay, they are alive (and) are provided sustenance from their Lord;

    [4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.

    [4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.

    [9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

    [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

    [9.111] Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain;(*)

    [9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

    [47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them
    http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/
     
  25. PT78

    PT78 Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2015
    Messages:
    2,780
    Likes Received:
    2,122
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The same place all murderers get the idea - like that Challenger-driving, white Supremacist murderer - from a lack of mental stability/sanity.
     
    Last edited: Sep 21, 2017

Share This Page