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Rights Are God-Given

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Troianii, Sep 4, 2017.

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  1. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Yes it is.
     
    Polydectes, Sep 23, 2017
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  2. rahl

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    Nope
     
    rahl, Sep 23, 2017
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  3. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    It isn't a moronic premise it's hypothetical one. You suffer from too much existential angst to accept it.

    Pity really
     
    Polydectes, Sep 23, 2017
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  4. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Yep...
     
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  5. rahl

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    No, it's moronic.
     
    rahl, Sep 23, 2017
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  6. rahl

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    Nope
     
    rahl, Sep 23, 2017
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  7. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    No it's not you're suffering from existential angst. You can't even accept a hypothetical.
     
    Polydectes, Sep 23, 2017
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    Lol yes it is.
     
    Polydectes, Sep 23, 2017
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    Because the hypothetical requires self delusion, and is thus moronic.
     
    rahl, Sep 23, 2017
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  10. Polydectes

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    No it doesn't.
     
    Polydectes, Sep 23, 2017
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    Nope
     
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  12. Troianii

    Troianii Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes yes, you and many others made the same strawman rather than arguing againdt the actual point I made. That's been established.
     
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    Of course it does.
     
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    The premise is moronic, as has been shown.
     
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    Troianii Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    By which you mean the strawman. Yes, the strawman you created is moronic, we can agree on that.
     
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  16. Polydectes

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    Whatever dude
     
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    Opinions aren't shown they are held. You can't put your opinion aside because you suffer from existential angst.
     
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    No, I've just pointed out the premise of this thread is moronic.
     
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  20. Polydectes

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    I know how you feel but your feelings don't matter.

    If you can't put your opinion aside why even bother posting in this thread?
     
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    The proposition that folks who do not believe in gods should pretend that there are gods who give rights to humans does not impart any legitimacy to rights.

    Rights are as revocable by gods as by humans. Humans demanding that gods not ever revoke their rights is obviously not as effective as humans demanding that humans not ever revoke rights.

    Neither insures success, but humans are, by far, the more amenable to human pressure.
     
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    I don't think you quite understand the point of this.

    If we view rights as god-given or not for people to remove which is just what that means. We tend to feel more Justified using Force to defend them.

    If you view them as privileges afforded to you by the government you tend to be complacent when they're taken away.
     
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    I understand your perspective, but see it differently.

    Humans are far less disposed to defend their rights if they believe that is the prerogative of gods to give them and take them away.

    It is far more reasonable that rights that are won in the human realm must be defended in the human realm, besides which, humans who do not believe in gods faking belief in gods will not fool themselves into believing what they do not believe.
     
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  24. Polydectes

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    you seem to be unaware of human nature and history. People seem to be a lot more ruthless in defense of entitlements granted by something more than man than mere privileges granted by governments.

    To say the opposite is to ignore all monarchs crusades, jihads or any other act of ruthlessness done in the name of a god.

    I can't think of much that people do in the name of other people. History shows us people tend to be indifferent to others.
     
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    History abounds with humans trying to take hard won rights away from other humans, and those humans fiercely defending rights they had won.

    It also abounds with folks who assert that gods are on their side in granting them the right to take rights away from others.

    How are folks who don't believe in gods going to trick themselves into believing that gods granted them entitlements?
     
    Natty Bumpo, Sep 23, 2017
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