Rights Are God-Given

Rights they believed they were entitled to because God ordained it, at least in their mind.

That supports my argument.

Not sure they can. Perhaps that is why communist and socialist totalitarian dictators come to power.

 

Democratic nations, especially advanced European ones, are far less concerned about gods than in the past, yet have been fiercely determined to defend the rights the people had won - as in the largely atheistic French revolution that overthrew the divine-righteous monarchs that had denied them their rights.

 

It doesn't seem to be the case. France and much of Europe is being over run by Islamic "refugees." And seem perfectly content to give up rights.

 

False. That is an article of faith of devout Islamophobes, and I don't attempt to disabuse true believers with facts that only upset them.

 

So Europe isn't being overrun by Muslims? Do you know how many refugees Germany took in?

And also what is with the harsh words between Poland and Germany? Why did Britain leave the EU?

 

No, Europe is not being "overrun by Muslims," although, from 711 until 1492, Islamic Spain was a multi-cultural mix of Muslims, Christians, and Jews.

No figures for 2017, and 2016 arrivals are still being processed. Religious affiliation is not indicated, but 250,299 in 2015, 216,973 in 2014, and 187,567 in 2013. Merkel has come under fire for her open-door stance to those fleeing war and misery, but her policies are expected to easily win her a third term.

I'm not sure which "harsh words" you refer to, but there has certainly been criticism regarding refugee policy within Poland:

If you wish to discuss whether human rights are given by Allah, that would be more "on topic." Your Islamophobic digression is not germane.

 

I'm not offering feelings. I'm pointing out the premise of this thread, requires self delusion. Which is moronic.

 

I haven't seen any one demonstrate this. What specifically of the hypothetical requires self delusion?

 

they are beholden to the EU and their quotas for taking on so-called refugees. So yes they are absolutely are being overrun. Their sovereignty is discarded by a dictatorial government they have no control in.

okay so they're importing people from a very different culture into their own that's going to cause these people to group together and ghettos.

These war-torn areas that they're fleeing from are religious theocracies. That means they bring with them the religious aspect of their culture. Voting for someone that will absolutely dilute to the point of non-recognition your culture is cultural suicide. That happens when people have a bland shapeless culture.

so you're going to play dumb?

Playing dumb does not all the sudden make people with no real belief in their culture all the sudden stand up for a culture that lacks Vibrance.

your personal attacks on me for criticizing Islam are not germane to either. You know what I want to discuss you're distracting with falling on the sword for multiculturalism.

I don't understand why that's so important that you will abandon the topic to Virtue signal.

Anyway back to the point I was making. People are more ruthless when they believe what they are doing is ordained by God. That's why nihilistic society's fall prey to authoritarian dictators. When you don't live by the authority of something higher than man, you submit to the authority of men because they're the highest Authority.

You can say no and not support your claim as you've been doing and you can call me a son of a bitch and whatever nasty little words you like to use for people who criticize **** ideology all you want, but it won't make what I have said untrue.

People with no sense of morality as being anything but relative are always conquered by people who have much more subjective views of reality.

Look at yourself you're falling on the sword of multiculturalism as if bigotry what's the worst crime in human history. You were already conquered.

 

If gods give rights without notice, gods can take them away without notice.

 

you're offering opinions based on feelings.

No it doesn't. You simply don't understand or are unwilling to accept a hypothetical.

So explain to me how a hypothetical is a delusion.

You just get your panties in a bunch when you hear the word God. Because it threatens you. I already said all this before but I'll say it again because it needs repeating. Accepting the hypothetical is so against your religious beliefs that you have to deny it even a hypothetical.

You have chosen willful ignorance you desire ignorance over discussion because it could undermine your belief system.

That's pretty pathetic.

I don't see you as intellectually valuable to this discussion I've only been mocking you for the past couple of days. I don't know how you haven't caught on to that. Nothing you say is persuasive or even argumentative you're just expressing an opinion based on fear.

I don't know why you continue to post responses to me they are absolute jokes and indicative of your intellectual dishonesty.

 

The so-called gods are hypothetical. They aren't even relevant to this discussion. I can't believe you missed that Elementary aspect.

The point is people tend to be much more ruthless in defense of Rights if they believe they were granted by a higher power. People can't possibly even understand rights if they don't understand the god concept.

You just want to piddle around with theology go to the damn religious forum for that.

Theology isn't involved here. The concept of a god is just used as a concept.

 

The topic is Rights Are God-Given.

For anyone who doesn't believe in the gods, that means pretending.

For anyone who does believe in gods, that means hoping they won't take rights away.

 

Yes, not the existence of gods. Go piddle with that nothing discussion in the religion and philosophy forum.

Precisly why such people cannot participate. If you can't deal with a hypothetical or a concept than that is your mental block. I'm sorry. You can't contribute to the discussion of you get hung up on that.

Theology is irrelevant.

 

It appears to be an evasion tactic. When you utter the concept of gods some people simply shut down.

I wouldn't worry about it. Such people simply eliminate themselves from the discussion.

 

Is absurd. That isn't the proposition. It is a hypothetical. A hypothetical requires assumption not fantasy.

It seems ridiculous that the concept so deeply offends you that you must remain obstinate of the simple hypothetical. Thus you removed yourself from the discussion through your own pigheaddedness.

Or not is completely irrelevant.

Save that twaddle for the religion and philosophy forum.

Which is why the concept of gods came into rights.

If simple human pressure can revoke rights people are more likely to concede to authority placed on humans in charge. Thus rights as Americans come to know them can't exist.

My secularism isn't so incredibly weak that i must adamantly stand against anything because it relies on a concept of a god for fear it will unravel my entire philosophy.

I'd suggest these people that think accepting the concept must equate to pretending be a little more strong in their philosophy and a little less sensitive to the emotions brought on by their own angst.

 

To the people who see the word "god" and start flipping out about the existence of gods not being proven, I'm sorry if you can't get past your own limitations you can't participate in this discussion.

If you need help with that so you can understand the concept of a god and the analogy that's being made I'll happily explain it to you so you can sit there and say yes we're endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights and still remain atheist.

 

OK.,.,. How about you list some of these "God given" rights?

I've yet to learn of any "God given" rights that weren't the conclusion of a man.

I've yet to come across any kind of right that is not the invention or conclusion of a human man. Natural laws like gravity are forces beyond our control, and you may have noticed such things are not something you can choose to ignore. Show me some "god-given" right that is on that level, one that can't be terminated or altered by another person. If you can't do that, then it becomes clear that rights are what a society deems to be the just and automatic privilege of each of us... a concept that we see as self-evident logic, and support in things like our Constitution. However, they are NOT inviolate.

 

Believing rights come from a god.

 

If you are just going to make the assumption of something by fiat, why not just assume that inalienable, inherent, natural rights exist? No need for God. Arguing against their basis would be no different than arguing against the existence of God. The actual existence wouldn't be needed, just the assumption of them, just as you are doing with God here.

 

They hypothetical is moronic, and requires self delusion. Which is why I'm pointing it out.

I don't have religious beliefs.

 

I've been participating the whole time. Nothing eliminated.

Pointing out the obvious stupidity of the OP, isn't evading.

 

I see this as a false dichotomy. Human rights are neither given by (non existent) gods nor granted by men. Said rights come from being part of the human race, that's all. My rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of are recognized by the US Constitution, but they don't stem from there. People always had these rights, they just weren't recognized by Kings.

 

It's been done. Centuries ago.

Sure you have. You just haven't recognized them for what they are.

Actually you can. You just can't ignore them without consequence - and neither can you ignore the unalienable rights of others without consequence.

The right to life of an innocent person cannot be terminated or altered, only violated.

Which means might makes right. You get that, right?

Only because you assiduously ignore the logical consequences of your intellectually bankrupt position.

 

I'm an atheist and I still don't see the relevance of your point. The OP addressed this successfully.

You need to reread it, because for some reason your vision is blocked and you aren't comprehending it.