Assange Has 'Absolute Proof' of Who Gave Him DNC Emails—and It Ain't the Russians

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  1. Antiduopolist

    Antiduopolist Well-Known Member

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    I think people would understand, and if alive, he may have sought the leaker's/hacker's permission.

    If dead - as in Seth Rich - it may not matter so much anymore.

    But any excuse to sully and condemn Assange; I get it. :(
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So all of the Intelligence agencies are wrong.....ALL OF THEM ?
     
  3. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They never said they had absolute proof, just a confidence level which is basically opinion.
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    All of them are espousing an "opinion" ?

    C'mon....seriously ?
     
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    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You want proof that WikiLeaks release emails they got from Russia?

    Read the news, fooled.
     
  6. One Mind

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    But, but, but, no evidence with a confidence level of known, proven liars, is the same as hard evidence!! And 17 intel agencies all agreed on the no evidence opinion.. Well, another lie, as it turns out only 3 evaluated the non evidence. And all 3 agencies have a vested interest in another cold war with russia. For that would grow each agency which means more money allocated to their agencies. Can't fight a cold war with russia without more money and burocratic expansion now, can we?

    VIPS evaluated the statement, and since these are retired intel guys, they described in detail that the way the report was worded showed they really did not know, given the careful choice of words.

    And thanks to vault 7 release, we now know our intel can frame anyone they want to when it comes to hacking. So, they can hack, and make it look like Russia did it. In order to develop a tool like this, there of course has to be plans to use it. So why would our intel frame another nation which could take us to war, or at least sanctions to starve their people out. Isn't this rather evil and nefarious? Or can our intel never do any wrong?

    IMO, only a clueless, ignorant fool would ever believe anything our intel says. Why would I express this? Oh just the hard fact that they lie for a living nowadays. The CIA was created under truman to report to the president, and it was created to try to stop another pearl harbor, by the sourcing of information. And not to lie to the People in order to manufacture consent to get the backing of the People in regards to a planned criminal operation. The CIA is the same agency that trucked coke into this nation, fueling the crack epidemic years ago. This was busted out by a detective in LA, who worked drugs. Anyone in the CIA go to jail? How about when clapper perjured himself in front of congress? But later had to admit that he lied. Not only was he not prosecuted, nor charged, but the bastard was allowed to keep his job by the obama admin. OH, what about the CIA spying on their own congressional oversight committee? The CIA is not authorized to operate within our borders, nor can they legally spy on their oversight committee. Who lost their job over this illegal act? Who got charged? No a damned soul. And remember this isn't the analysts, or other agents doing this law breaking. No, it is the appointed heads of the agency, and other higher up people.

    And yet some here trust our intel? What is wrong with these minds? And would you trust such a mind to do anything important, especially where lives might be at risk? Would you trust such a mind to even make important business decisions for a business?

    What nefarious act would it take for these people to realize what we are dealing with here, with intel? Seriously, IMO, there is nothing intel could do, no matter how evil it was, in order for such a mind to not trust them. Logically, rationally explain to this old man why this seems to be true. Of course, the stock reply from these clueless minds is that anyone who challenges intel wears a tin foil hat. Which coincidently is the reason the CIA coined the term conspiracy theorist. As a means to scoff at, dismiss and infer anyone who questions the official story is a nutter. Quite clever was it not? But it only works on people who do not think, but simply parrot what they are told to think.
     
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    LOLOLOL!!!!! You still believe that crap about 17 intelligence agencies. Hillary made it up. And YOU just made up the claim that ANY intelligence agency agreed so. Your entire view is based upon what you have imagined in your own head
     
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    Are you too young to remember what was learned by way of the Pentagon Papers?

    FYI, the US government has a long and well-established reputation for mendacity. The tail is wagging the dog.
     
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    You took his dentures? :razz:
     
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    It would be astonishing, unbelievable, the most salient feature of conservatives is their patriotism, their love of their country is unmatched, conservatives would betray their ideology only for the good of their country. If it were true conservatives were betraying the US to conceal Russian involvement in the election this would mean they thought it was better for the US to have Trump as president even if he gained that position through some concealed deal with the Russians. Since Trump isn't much of an ideologue, this is hard to imagine.

    I'm still waiting for your evidence Assange "decided to help Russia interfere in the US election."
     
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    This from the guy who always makes a point to talk about how sacred it is to not disclose sources? Not buying it.
     
  12. The Mello Guy

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    He's already said he'd come here and stand trial if manning was released. When's that happening
     
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    Not inconceivable, remember Trump is their common enemy, he shunned their repetitious daily briefings, expressed concern over their permanent, entrenched "deep state" positions, ridiculed their efficacy in claiming Saddam had WMDs... I think Trump has made a lot of enemies in the intelligence community, I don't know if this has reached a level where they would actually betray the nation by withholding information from him, it seems that way. If the intelligence community does claim the Russians colluded with Trump they can very well suppress anything that contradicts this, send the CIA to take care of Assange.
     
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    You're making no sense. How would any form of legal protection save him from an entirely illegal assassination? And if killing him is a viable and necessary option to silence him, why wouldn't it have happened already? No information he might have is new and he's nothing if not unpredictable. My initial point stands that this isn't news, just self-promotion.
     
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    He acts contrary to our national interests, yet thanks to the retarded level of partisanship today, people like you want to think he is something great simply because he opposes the party that you oppose. This is why he is useful to the Russians who are acting to help tear this nation apart from the inside. He is being used to help widen that left-right partisan divide, and the divide between the American people and their government.
     
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    Assange is the scum of the earth, a Hillary hater and hardly a person to be believed. Could this be the reason why nobody gives a rat's ass what this poor excuse for a human being has to say?
     
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    I believe him.
     
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    Of course you would defend the congenital liar Hillary over someone you have no proof lies.
     
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    Exactly what they are doing.
     
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    Did I say that he is a liar? Where did I say that? I don't care whether he is or isn't a liar. One thing for sure. He is trying to save his sorry ass in exchange for info that
    may or may not mean anything.
     
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    An opinion shared by all Intel heads trump appointed as well
     
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    Has he come to stand trial since manning was released? Or did he lie?
     
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    Opinion isn't fact. You didn't know that?
     
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    All due respect, but that makes NO sense. You assume that these people are political appointees, and not career people. The career people put country before party. They aren't withholding anything from him. HE is the one who chooses what to believe based on how it affects him.

    Your actually saying that EVERYONE in in collusion against Trump. Thats beyond ridiculous
     
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    So those agencies have no evidence to support what they claim, they just "think" it is happening ?
     

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