Stop Pretending You're A Patriot

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Cigar, Oct 10, 2017.

  1. Cigar

    Cigar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2011
    Messages:
    11,478
    Likes Received:
    2,646
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    It isn't a contest of who's better than who, or who's louder or bigger. It's not about the size of your American flag or how big your truck is. In fact, the most patriotic person I know plays the piccolo in the Cougar Marching Band and talks about America the way you would a best friend.

    Patriotism is about the feeling you get when you see those fireworks. It's a quiet display of gratitude for those who have fallen to protect us in this country. It's about upholding the constitution, even when it may be uncomfortable or unpopular.

    Now let's talk about the elephant in the room: the recent protests in the NFL.

    In my humble opinion, the highest form of patriotism is being able to look America straight in the eyes, acknowledge all our flaws, and say, "We're not perfect. Let's fix this." That is what these players are doing. They are not being disrespectful; they are not saying they hate America.

    There seems to be this sort of disconnect between what these players are doing and what Fox News and your right-wing uncle who thinks the moon landing was faked wants you to believe they're doing.

    They're protesting––perhaps the most American thing that there is. The very thing that this country was founded on if I'm remembering correctly. They're peacefully, articulately protesting against police brutality. Not veterans or the flag or the anthem or Trump. And by and large, most veterans are just fine with the protests, so what does that tell you?

    So to the self-proclaimed "Patriot Warriors" in the room: get down from your high horse and take off your American flag cape. Stop pretending you're a hero when I'll bet you sit in your living room when the anthem plays on Sunday. And stop pretending that patriotism is some kind of competition where only the loudest and the most extravagant can win.

    https://www.theodysseyonline.com/stop-pretending-youre-patriot
     
  2. TrackerSam

    TrackerSam Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2015
    Messages:
    12,114
    Likes Received:
    5,379
    Trophy Points:
    113
    That's not what they're doing though it may be what was intended. The method used has backfired and no one is talking about social injustice Capt.Gorn. All the talk is about disrespecting the flag and the country. Stop pretending you're a citizen.
     
  3. gophangover

    gophangover Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    5,433
    Likes Received:
    743
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Stop disrespecting the first amendment and more than half of the citizens of this country. Protesting social injustice is more important than a flag that represents the genocide of over 50 million Native Americans.
     
    Johnny-C and rcfoolinca288 like this.
  4. Brewskier

    Brewskier Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2011
    Messages:
    48,910
    Likes Received:
    9,641
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    /thread. Left-winger thinks flag = "genocide of over 50 million Native Americans"

    Sums up the left perfectly.
     
  5. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2015
    Messages:
    66,736
    Likes Received:
    46,529
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Let's stop pretending that cops are more than a drop in the bucket compared to what they do to each other.

    Let's have that discussion.
     
    ButterBalls likes this.
  6. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    151,021
    Likes Received:
    63,282
    Trophy Points:
    113
    because the elephant entered the room... Trump and his huge ego made it about himself
     
    Johnny-C, rcfoolinca288 and PARTIZAN1 like this.
  7. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    151,021
    Likes Received:
    63,282
    Trophy Points:
    113
    criminals are not supposed to have badges... not supposed to get paid vacations when they commit a crime....
    no one defends criminals actions, why do some defend bad cops actions?

    bad cops make the job of good cops harder, defending bad cops makes good cops job harder, support our good cops... not bad cops

    and yes, if a person behaves badly for a cop, they get criticized too, act civilized around cops, you will get treated better

    most of the crime in the inner cities you mention is related to the war on drugs which funds these gangs, time to end that war and defund gangs
     
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2017
    Johnny-C likes this.
  8. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    151,021
    Likes Received:
    63,282
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I say require all cops to wear cop cams, have two out of district 3rd parties review them, have the 3rd party put cops and citizens behaving badly on the net for all to see, if people know these public encounters may make the net, most would behave better, cops and citizens alike
     
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2017
    Johnny-C likes this.
  9. Cigar

    Cigar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2011
    Messages:
    11,478
    Likes Received:
    2,646
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    You see that's exactly it, YOU don't get to CHOSE what their Message or Method is ... it's not up to you, no one is asking your opinion and no one is asking for your approval.

    You're just a Fan ... and if you don't want to buy a ticket, GTF out of line, you're occupying space and taking up air.
     
    rcfoolinca288 likes this.
  10. Cigar

    Cigar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2011
    Messages:
    11,478
    Likes Received:
    2,646
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I always laugh at the guy who screaming at the Coach as if they could do any better.

    Apply for the position or STF Down and ****
     
  11. MMC

    MMC Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2012
    Messages:
    41,793
    Likes Received:
    14,697
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male


    LMAO.....Say it isn't so, they were hoping on intentions again. Well we intended ...... :roflol:
     
  12. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2011
    Messages:
    10,697
    Likes Received:
    3,729
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You're only a patriot if cigar says you are.

    So don't you go around patrioting without him issuing your patriot license first.
     
  13. MMC

    MMC Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2012
    Messages:
    41,793
    Likes Received:
    14,697
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    Better yet.....they should study up on, why one does not bring their personal problems to the job. Then have a discussion.
     
    ButterBalls and vman12 like this.
  14. Texas Republican

    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2015
    Messages:
    28,121
    Likes Received:
    19,405
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Liberals want to be called patriotic, but all they do is mock America, traditional American values, and Western society in general. They never praise America or extol its virtues.

    They're not fooling anyone with these claims of patriotism.
     
    Gatewood, usfan, Tim15856 and 2 others like this.
  15. MMC

    MMC Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2012
    Messages:
    41,793
    Likes Received:
    14,697
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    Who defends bad cops actions? Oh and just what is defined as a Bad cop? Why does the leftness act and talk like police brutality is a major problem in Law Enforcement when its not and especially when tied to races.

    You actually think ending the war on drugs will get rid of gangs? Now who's being naïve.
     
    Gatewood and ButterBalls like this.
  16. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2013
    Messages:
    54,812
    Likes Received:
    18,482
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yet they wouldn't live anywhere else. I think they probably do love their country, but are trying to force a mimic of liberal socialist democracies (Sweden, etc). Unfortunately you can't force that kind of change, it has to happen organically. Only when the vast majority of the populace want the same or similar things, will it happen. That will never occur in America, because your society is too varied in personal politics/culture etc. The sort of homogeneity of politics you see in Sweden, can only arise in a homogenous society.
     
    Gatewood and usfan like this.
  17. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2011
    Messages:
    10,697
    Likes Received:
    3,729
    Trophy Points:
    113
    What a load.

    The highest form of patriotism is not dissent.

    The highest form of patriotism is the defence of the countries founding principals, even when they protect the opinion of those you disagree with.
     
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2017
  18. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2015
    Messages:
    66,736
    Likes Received:
    46,529
    Trophy Points:
    113
    In 2012 there were 12,197,000 arrests. Of those, deadly force was used in 410 cases. Of those, single digits of those encounters were questionable.

    A criminal has more chances of winning the lottery than being shot by a cop.

    The group that is murdering black people in the US isn't cops.
     
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2017
    Gatewood, usfan, MMC and 1 other person like this.
  19. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2008
    Messages:
    27,293
    Likes Received:
    4,346
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Besides the early ones (i.e. the ones who did it last year), the rest are just doing a "**** you Trump." Nothing patriotic, just a statement. The problem is, in the process of saying "**** you Trump" they are pissing off a good part of the NFL watching population.
     
    Gatewood and usfan like this.
  20. TheGreatSatan

    TheGreatSatan Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2009
    Messages:
    21,269
    Likes Received:
    21,244
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Ya, stop pretending. Nobody buys it. Why would anyone believe that America hating liberals suddenly love America? They blame America for everything that's wrong on Earth and want to fundamentally transform it and redistribute its wealth and punish its people
     
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2017
  21. Texas Republican

    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2015
    Messages:
    28,121
    Likes Received:
    19,405
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Next they'll tell us they love Christianity.
     
    Gatewood, Tim15856 and TheGreatSatan like this.
  22. TheGreatSatan

    TheGreatSatan Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2009
    Messages:
    21,269
    Likes Received:
    21,244
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And white people...
     
    Gatewood and PrincipleInvestment like this.
  23. Vernan89188

    Vernan89188 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 11, 2014
    Messages:
    8,685
    Likes Received:
    2,072
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Heh, seems so do Trump supporters and anyone whom mocks, retaliates or tries and punish those individuals, or groups peacefully protesting something. Try an understand what is being protested, or do like Americans do an just ignore it.

    Wish Trump supporters would stop pretending as well...They arnt conservatives, liberals, democrats or republicans it seems...Just American hating individuals, well that kinda fits conservative narrative the last 8 years, hating...
     
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2017
    tres borrachos likes this.
  24. Texan

    Texan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2014
    Messages:
    9,129
    Likes Received:
    4,704
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    These players are hijacking the National Anthem at an NFL venue. They are using their fame and uniform, provided by the NFL, to stage a protest during an NFL event to get the attention of NFL fans. They are doing this to the detriment of the NFL and eventually to themselves. If the NFL is too gutless to stop the protests, then they get what they deserve.

    These people are millionaires. Why can't they spend their own money and time to protest whatever they want to protest? They have free speech. Why do they have to steal the NFL's voice?

    I also have free speech and if I want to judge the motives of these players, the NFL, or whomever, I can do so as long as I'm willing to put up with the results of my speech. The same goes for everybody. The players can protest if they want. The owners or the NFL can fire them for it if they want. The fans can leave if they want. Free speech rules. God bless America.
     
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2017
    Gatewood and usfan like this.
  25. Texas Republican

    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2015
    Messages:
    28,121
    Likes Received:
    19,405
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Trump supporters want to make America great. Why do you say they hate America?
     

Share This Page