Did You Change Your Mind About 9/11? When? Why?

Discussion in '9/11' started by Bob0627, Jun 21, 2017.

You are viewing posts in the Conspiracy Theory forum. PF does not allow misinformation. However, please note that posts could occasionally contain content in violation of our policies prior to our staff intervening.

  1. 9/11 was an inside job

    9/11 was an inside job Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2011
    Messages:
    6,508
    Likes Received:
    109
    Trophy Points:
    63
    you are making way too much sense with pesky little facts that neither him or the other 9/11 official conspiracy theory apologists can comprehend.:grin: they cant stand toe to toe with you on this issue and can never come up with a fact that refutes what you just said.:rock_slayer::grin::w00t:
     
    Eleuthera likes this.
  2. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2008
    Messages:
    5,268
    Likes Received:
    845
    Trophy Points:
    113
    How much of the evidence that the truthers put forward have you looked at?
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...t-9-11-when-why.507908/page-2#post-1067667343

    It sounds like you haven't looked at any of it.
     
  3. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2015
    Messages:
    8,576
    Likes Received:
    2,337
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It sounds to me like there's no question you didn't believe it from the start, the highlighted sentence confirms it.

    In your case though it wasn't because the evidence contradicted the official narrative, it was strictly because of a lack of faith in the US government to tell us the truth.
     
  4. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2008
    Messages:
    5,268
    Likes Received:
    845
    Trophy Points:
    113
    In my case it was both.
     
  5. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2015
    Messages:
    8,576
    Likes Received:
    2,337
    Trophy Points:
    113
    What evidence did you rely on the first few days after 9/11?
     
  6. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2008
    Messages:
    5,268
    Likes Received:
    845
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Right after the attacks there was talk on the internet about the "Robot plane theory". I knew the US government was famous for carrying out false flags so I just figured this was probably another false flag as it fit the pattern.

    If I remember correctly, the first actual research I saw on the internet was the analysis of the crash site at the Pentagon.
    https://www.google.es/search?q=hunt...1j0i22i10i30i19k1j33i22i29i30k1.0.wEHs7mCfunM

    I was one hundred percent sure it was an inside job after that. I remember when the first edition of Loose Change came out. Then, "Painful Deceptions" and "In Plane Sight" came out. Then later "9/11 Mysteries" came out. Then it was an open and shut case. 9/11 was obviously an inside job and anyone who looked at that info and still maintained that the official story was true, or that the government just let the terrorists do it was either in denial, or a disinfo agent.
     
  7. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2015
    Messages:
    8,576
    Likes Received:
    2,337
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I don't know which article(s) in particular you read but many of these did not come out immediately after 9/11. So it still sounds to me like you based your thoughts about 9/11 more on distrust of the US government (and I completely understand) than on any evidence.

    I agree with you that these videos were eye openers (they were for me) but Loose Change was first released in 2005. I remember that 9/11 Mysteries was the video that really made me stop and think and that was released after Loose Change.
     
  8. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2008
    Messages:
    5,268
    Likes Received:
    845
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It was a few years after the attacks that I first saw some actual research. It's a little foggy now as it was a while ago. I also remember analyses of the photo of the second plane hitting the tower. People were talking about the pod on the belly of the plane.
    https://www.google.es/search?q=9+11...7OjWAhWEXBQKHQcZAhgQ_AUICigB&biw=1024&bih=636

    I don't quite remember when I first saw that.

    I used to read threads from this site when it was active.
    http://z15.invisionfree.com/Loose_C...day=100&sort_by=Z-A&sort_key=last_post&st=350

    I didn't post much in the 9/11 section because everything I wanted to say had already been said a few times. I started this thread.
    http://z15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/ar/t16333.htm


    edit one minute later.
    ---------------------------------------

    This site used to have a forum.
    http://www.fdnylodd.com/

    I was posting truther info there almost every day and they finally just deleted the forum. The pro-official version posters were all looking like horses' a---s.
     
    Last edited: Oct 11, 2017
  9. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2015
    Messages:
    8,576
    Likes Received:
    2,337
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Ok so the question raised by the OP is "Did You Change Your Mind About 9/11? When? Why?".

    So it seems to me you really started questioning the official narrative a few years after 9/11 based on evidence that the videos exposed and perhaps you didn't believe the official narrative from the start only because you distrusted the US government but not because of any evidence. And the bottom line is that you never really changed your mind, you just disbelieved it from day 1. Correct me if I'm wrong.
     
  10. 9/11 was an inside job

    9/11 was an inside job Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2011
    Messages:
    6,508
    Likes Received:
    109
    Trophy Points:
    63
    yeah pretty much.
     
  11. 9/11 was an inside job

    9/11 was an inside job Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2011
    Messages:
    6,508
    Likes Received:
    109
    Trophy Points:
    63
    yeah as i said before,9/11 mysteries was the one that cinched it for me that it was an inside job.
     
  12. 9/11 was an inside job

    9/11 was an inside job Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2011
    Messages:
    6,508
    Likes Received:
    109
    Trophy Points:
    63
    which is pretty much the same way with me as well that I never changed my mind from day one.I kept looking and waiting for evidence to come forth that backed up the official version of events but instead of doing so,more and more just came out that proved my original suspecions to indeed be accurate.
     
  13. 9/11 was an inside job

    9/11 was an inside job Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2011
    Messages:
    6,508
    Likes Received:
    109
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Plus if you dont bother to look at the facts that dont go along with the official version or listen to what the witnesses said,you of course will never know the truth that shoots down the lies of the governments version of events. Dude,all you got to do to see the official version is BS is go to youtube and type in the words total proof 9/11 was an inside job.lol

    or if you like to read,just read david ray griffins book here.He has irrefutable facts and evidence that cannot be refuted that it was an inside job. Nobody has ever been able to counter his facts.Not the government,nobody,he has even challenged congress to debate him in the open public and try and counter his facts,they of course wont do so because congress is corrupt full of nothing but criminals and they know they cant stand toe to toe with griffin so like the cowards they are,they wont meet him in public and debate him cause they know they cant counter his facts.hee hee.
     
    Last edited: Oct 11, 2017
  14. 9/11 was an inside job

    9/11 was an inside job Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2011
    Messages:
    6,508
    Likes Received:
    109
    Trophy Points:
    63
    yeah this guy is for sure not worth wasting time with if he still all these years later really believes we put man on the moon.lol
     
  15. 9/11 was an inside job

    9/11 was an inside job Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2011
    Messages:
    6,508
    Likes Received:
    109
    Trophy Points:
    63
    The Bush administration is directly responsible for the wholesale destruction of 9/11 evidence, in violation of federal and local law, thus hampering/corrupting any investigation.
    2. The Bush administration did not want to investigate 9/11, in fact they (or more specifically Cheney) asked Sen. Tom Daschle not to investigate 9/11 on several occasions.
    3. The Bush administration reluctantly yielded to investigating 9/11 due to pressure from the 9/11 families, specifically the Jersey Girls but wanted the investigation to only focus on intelligence failures.
    4. The Bush administration appointed Henry Kissinger as the chairman of the 9/11 Commission who was subsequently forced to resign due to conflicts of interest.
    5. The Bush administration stocked the 9/11 Commission with cronies, especially Philip Zelikow.
    6. All members of the 9/11 Commission had conflicts of interest and were covering for someone.
    7. The 9/11 Commission cut a deal with the Bush administration essentially allowing them to dictate who on the 9/11 Commission could see what evidence and also limited the evidence the 9/11 Commission had access to.
    8. According to the 9/11 Commission, there are 570 cubic feet of textual records, a large percentage of it classified, presumably inaccessible to the 9/11 Commission itself (see #7).
    9. Sen. Max Cleland resigned as a result of #7, labeling the 9/11 investigation a scam and obstruction.
    10. The 9/11 families or more specifically the Family Steering Committee sent over 400 questions to the 9/11 Commission and the vast majority of the questions were either unanswered or insufficiently answered.
    11. Philip Zelikow created an outline of the 9/11 Commission Report prior to the first meeting of the 9/11 Commission.
    12. Philip Zelikow admitted that most if not all of the 9/11 Commission Report relied on 3rd party relayed torture testimony.
    13. The source of over 25% of the Commission Report's footnotes is 3rd party relayed torture testimony.
    14. The 9/11 Commission were lied to by the CIA who told them they gave them everything they asked for but withheld torture tapes which they never revealed their existence to the 9/11 Commission.
    15. The torture tapes were deliberately destroyed by the CIA despite a federal court order to preserve them.
    16. The Senate Intelligence Committee on Torture report claims that the CIA's torture methods yielded NO USEFUL INTELLIGENCE (see #12 and #13).
    17. The FBI lied to the 9/11 Commission (and Congress) when they told them they gave them everything. They were discovered a decade later to be holding over 80,000 pages of documents from their PENTBBOM "investigation" that they never revealed existed.
    18. NORAD and other key Pentagon officials told the 9/11 Commission different stories that were in conflict with each other or outright lies.
    19. The 9/11 Commission agreed to interview Bush and Cheney together unsworn and unrecorded.
    20. There is no evidence that the 9/11 Commission conducted any criminal/scientific/forensic investigation in accordance with universally accepted standards appropriate for such an investigation. Especially within the vast scope required by a major historical event such as 9/11. Much of the contents of the 9/11 Commission Report is unvetted and/or unsupported by legitimate evidence (any evidence obtained via the use of torture is illegitimate/unreliable - see #16).
    21. The 9/11 Commission claimed in their report that "their aim has not been to assign individual blame", thus making a mockery of the "investigation".
    22. Eyewitnesses who were to testify to the 9/11 Commission were coached by Soviet style government "minders" prior to their testimonies, thus tampering with, biasing and corrupting the "investigation".
    23. Many potential crucial eyewitnesses were never interviewed by the 9/11 Commission. Potential whistleblowers were not granted immunity and therefore many did not testify as a result.
    24. Some key eyewitness testimonies were excluded from the 9/11 Commission Report.
    25. The 9/11 Commission failed to investigate key events and issues, such as the destruction of WTC7 (unmentioned) and the financing of 9/11, deeming it of "little practical significance" (in direct contradiction to all criminal investigation standards).
    26. The 9/11 Commission co-chairs admitted they were set up to fail, starved of funds, denied access to the truth, misled by senior officials in the Pentagon and the FAA, did not examine key evidence, claimed the report was incomplete and flawed and that many questions remain unanswered.
    27. Philip Zelikow had complete control over the final edit of the 9/11 Commission Report and was responsible for keeping the classified 28 pages from the 9/11 Commission. Zelikow fired an aide who wanted to bring the 28 pages to the attention of the 9/11 Commission.
    28. The published version of the 9/11 Commission Report in general is similar to the official 9/11 conspiracy theory disseminated as fact by the Bush administration prior to the establishment of the 9/11 Commission.
    29. The 9/11 Commission Report was severely criticized by many, especially the Jersey Girls, who were responsible for pressuring the Bush administration for an investigation. "we knew it was a farce, we wanted their words, their lies down on paper" - Patty Casazza.

    that right there proves the official version to be BS.:thumbsup:case closed.
     
    Last edited: Oct 11, 2017
    Bob0627 likes this.
  16. 9/11 was an inside job

    9/11 was an inside job Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2011
    Messages:
    6,508
    Likes Received:
    109
    Trophy Points:
    63
    the answer to that is obviously yes.lol
     
  17. Chester_Murphy

    Chester_Murphy Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2017
    Messages:
    7,503
    Likes Received:
    2,227
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I have changed my mind in the past couple of years. Originally, I thought those who did this were very intelligent. I no longer believe that.

    I thought they had a point to be made. I no longer believe that.

    I thought they had a cause, but I'm not sure hatred of most of the rest of the world is a cause.

    I thought they were going to create a nation in their homeland which would rival the best nations of the world, but I realized they are like pouty angry abusive children who didn't get their way.

    I thought their religion was that of peace with exceptions for times of unprovoked war. I was mistaken.

    I thought they lived by honorable rules of beliefs and time honored traditions. I realize they only want to keep all others under the control of a patriarchal society that believes in freedoms for males of their faith only and who are some sort of religious authority, like bishops, and they control all that is done in society and government from a pulpit while hiding behind some words written in a book.

    I thought they believed in some deity, but they believe in a "prophet" and worship him and a meteorite.

    Yes, much has changed since 9/11.
     
  18. 9/11 was an inside job

    9/11 was an inside job Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2011
    Messages:
    6,508
    Likes Received:
    109
    Trophy Points:
    63
    then you obviously have done no research into the case and have only listened to what the government has told you.:grin:

    too many cameras and video footage?
    thats the most inaccurate statement ever by you.:grin:

    the pentagon has like over a 100 cameras there and yet they could only produce 7 measly photos of the alleged airliners that went in? Not to mention the FBI confiscated the video footage of the gas station across the street.If thats not a coverup then I dont know what is.:rolleyes: Oh and why confiscate the evidence and destroy it as well as they did with the 9/11 towers if is not a lie.THINK you can do it.:grin:


    you want to talk about conspiracy theories? okay I'll play your game.try THIS one for size,it is the most absurd ludicirous conspiracy THEORY of all 9/11 conspiracy theories anyone could EVER have come up with.:rolleyes::roflol:

    http://proliberty.com/observer/20030811.htm

    or if that is too much of a read for you,here,watch this short five minute video.it shreads to pieces their lies.lol


    I hope you enjoyed getting taken to school by me that you fell for the most absurd conspiracy theory ever invented in the world?:roflol:
     
    Last edited: Oct 11, 2017
  19. 9/11 was an inside job

    9/11 was an inside job Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2011
    Messages:
    6,508
    Likes Received:
    109
    Trophy Points:
    63
    that describes the 9/11 official conspiracy theory apologists such as yourself to a tee..:grin:
     
  20. 9/11 was an inside job

    9/11 was an inside job Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2011
    Messages:
    6,508
    Likes Received:
    109
    Trophy Points:
    63
    except you cant explain bld 7 the crux of the 9/11 coverup commission that proves explosives brought the towers down.

    You took Perotista to school MAJOR BIG TIME there that 9/11 was indeed an inside job and that the miitary at the pentagon violated all protocol that day not even bothering to try and intercept them which is grounds for treason,yet Rumsfield and everyone else was not fired that day for their alleged incompetence that day.

    one more thing that I will add that the 9/11 official conspiracy theory apologists never have any answers for that prove beyond a doubt it was an indeed an inside job that explosives brought the towers down is perotista just shot himself in the foot here saying that the jet fuel fires were able to weaken the steel to make it collapse.Ignoring bld 7.the crux of the 9/11 coverup commission that he and nobody else including the government have ever been able to get around or explain.

    Bld 7 was NOT hit by an airliner,yet it collapsed in the same exact suspecious footprint that the towers did as well at freefall speed same as them,so he cant say that jet fule caused bld 7 to collapse.:rolleyes:

    also,eveytime they mention that the fires weakened the steel causing it to collapse,they also ignore the fact that several firefighters found molten steel that was burning steel for WEEKS on end which makes the official explanation that the fires caused the collapse to be pure BS since jet foule cannot melt steel.:rolleyes: since jet fuel did not cause the steel to melt as it did,what DID cause the steel to melt?:grin:

    high military grade explosives,thats what,think you can do it.

    as always,the official conspiracy theory apologists get taken to school by you Bob with the help of people like me,and scott of course that it was an inside job,there there were no airliners that hit the pentagon and that explosives brought the towers down which therefore proves it was an inside job.:grin: case closed.:rolleyes:
     
  21. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2015
    Messages:
    9,035
    Likes Received:
    4,223
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    I believed the "Official Story" for about 2 days but the more facts that came out and common sense led me to know it was an inside job with very likely Mossad involvement.

    As a blacksmith & former Army combat engineer, I work with steel and have some experience in demolition work. There is no way that jet fuel can affect the structural integrity of steel to the degree claimed nor do buildings randomly self implode unless there are professional demolition experts involved.

    The question to ask is who benefited most from this crime. The answer, of course, is those who wish to engender enmity toward Muslims enough to drive America to war against an Islamic nation of AIPAC's choice.

    "We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq," Ma'ariv quoted the former prime minister as saying. (Netanyahu) He reportedly added that these events "swung American public opinion in our favor."

    http://altbib.com/bak/dox/925.html
     
  22. 9/11 was an inside job

    9/11 was an inside job Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2011
    Messages:
    6,508
    Likes Received:
    109
    Trophy Points:
    63
    the people who STILL think that jet fuels caused the collapse indeed dont know the difference between hollywood and reality just as you said so well.:roflol:

    In the REAL world,a tower falling down merely from jet fuel,does NOT explode UPWARDS into powder like that disintegrating into NOTHING where you cannot even find a telephone,a desk,or a chair smashed into pieces from a mere collapse.:rolleyes:

    EXPERT fireman involved in explosives could not believe what they found,they were totally insulted by the governments version of events,to ignore what these credible expert firemen said that the official story is BS and to ignore all these facts that cannot be refuted that a coverup took place at the pentagon,that they could never prove a jet airliner hit it and the ovewheling evidence we have presented here that explosives brought the towers down,I DARE people here to tell those surviving firefighters they were wrong that explosives brought them down to their face.anyone who still thinks the fires brought them down is lying cause they know better.
     
  23. 9/11 was an inside job

    9/11 was an inside job Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2011
    Messages:
    6,508
    Likes Received:
    109
    Trophy Points:
    63
    the facts cannot be refuted that 9/11 was an inside job.that it was a joint CIA/mossad operation.these three video here prove it beyond a shread of doubt.NOBODY has ever been able to debunk them.





    you 9/11 official conspiracy theory apologists have been owned that it was a CIA/MOSSAD operation,deal with it.:D

    Indeed,you nailed it.the people that make the ignorant and asinine claim that jet fuel weakened the steel and caused the collapse of the towers have no explanation for bld 7 since it was NOT hit by an airliner making the jet fuel argument total bs.:rolleyes: enough of this bs jet fuel crap already,that is disproven with bld 7.

    plus they ignore what all the witnesses said on hearing explosions,many of them being experienced firefighters experienced in the sound of explosives.:rolleyes:

    as well as ignoring that jet fuel does not melt steel as many of the steel columns were melted for several months after that and that office furniture was disintegrated and that the buildings disintegrated into powder exploding upwards.all IMPOSSIBLE from a mere collapse of a building.none of that stuff EVER happens when a building collapses.:rolleyes: and again for the fools who think jet fuel caused it,jet fuel does not MELT steel as there were MANY pools of melted steel there found.:rolleyes: get off the weed official conspiracy theory apologists.:weed:

    all you official conspiracy theory apologists were just owned by me in these three videos and the official conspiracy theory apologists cannot touch or refute facts in post# 87,90,99, 100and 101 of Bobs here that explosives brought them down,they have ALL failed miserably.:grin: he OWNED you as well.deal with it.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...e-your-mind-about-9-11-when-why.507908/page-5

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...e-your-mind-about-9-11-when-why.507908/page-6
     
    Last edited: Oct 11, 2017
  24. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2015
    Messages:
    9,035
    Likes Received:
    4,223
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    RE:
    I believe that people who believe the Official version of 9/11 aren't always lying. I believe that Americans, in general, are simply more gullible than other nationalities & easily duped by MSM which is complicit in the cover-up
     
    Eleuthera and Bob0627 like this.
  25. 9/11 was an inside job

    9/11 was an inside job Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2011
    Messages:
    6,508
    Likes Received:
    109
    Trophy Points:
    63
    I am not talking about all people in the country who believe it of course.just the people that post here and troll everyday at this section.most are paid shills on Israels payroll. the ones that ignore the irrefutable facts presented by the OP and just come back and post lie after lie as they do,those are the liars I am talking about.

    They are the paid shills i was referring to. You can spot one of them easily over someone who is just a blind sheep because the sheep that are in denial,they just run off with their tail between their legs and dont come back when they are presented with irrefutable facts that explosives brought the towers down as the OP has done an excellent job of in this thread with the help of people like me and scott of of course.:D the official conspiracy theory apologists cannot touch or refute facts in post# 87,90,99, 100and 101 of Bobs here that explosives brought them down,they have ALL failed miserably.:grin:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...e-your-mind-about-9-11-when-why.507908/page-5

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...e-your-mind-about-9-11-when-why.507908/page-6
     
    Last edited: Oct 11, 2017
    Grau likes this.

Share This Page