Data shows a downward demographic spiral for Republicans

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  1. tres borrachos

    tres borrachos Well-Known Member

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    Obama promised to pull us out of Iraq. He didn't. That's an historic fact.
     
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    gc17 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Geesh, where did I say different, catch up.
     
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    It's not up to Trump to save the nation from itself, that duty belongs to the people. Unfortunately, most don't answer the call, and refuse to manage their own lives independently. It's become far too convenient to be dependent, to blames others, and to expect them to support your basic needs, address your fears and challenges in life so you don't have to face them. This is self-destruction coming from the rejection of personal responsibility- a social trend, or should I say... A social disease of weakness and loss of self-respect, character, dignity.

    From Alexander Tyler, history professor at the University of Edinborough in 1787, speaking about democracy over 2000 years:


    "A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship."


    "The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:


    From bondage to spiritual faith;
    From spiritual faith to great courage;
    From courage to liberty;
    From liberty to abundance;
    From abundance to complacency;
    From complacency to apathy;
    From apathy to dependence;
    From dependence back into bondage."


    The American republic and democratic nation is now 240 years old. We are now pretty much in the dependence stage, and led there by politicians telling us it was entitlement. That started with milder democrats but led to people like Bernie Sanders, taking entitlement to the point of being entitled to a living without working or producing. Free is always popular among the foolish, the idealists and the irresponsible, and the number of such people is rapidly growing.

    Even if Trump never made a verbal error and maintained a highly presidential decorum, he would be intensely criticized because he is opposing the will of the people- at least the will of the growing number of people who want everything to be perfect, everyone to have money, and things like profit and work are declared as unjust evils.

    If there is a true enemy here- it is us.
     
  4. tres borrachos

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    Then you agree that the GOP prevented him from pulling out of Iraq. Just what I said.
     
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    A whole lot of White Christians do not vote Red. It is the Fundamentalist - Evangelical and Pentecostal Christians that make up the core of the Religious Right.

    I do agree however that Red faces a demographic time bomb. I also agree that part of this is due a movement away from religious extremism.
    The younger generation is also pro-choice an anti - discrimination against gays. They are also against the war on drugs which Trump has just fired up once again. They are also anti Establishment (which erroneously is more associated with Red but it is what it is)

    That said - it is like the Dems are trying to lose intentionally (which is about the only way they can lose at this point). Rather than distancing themselves from the Establishment and coming up with a plan it is like they have gone into hiding. I get that the strategy is to not take the light off of Trump but putting forth sound policy initiatives would not do that.

    All the left needs to do is move a little more to the middle while at the same time distancing themselves slightly from the Establishment (and not run an establishment insider like Hillary).

    Just because Red is self destructing is no reason to be complacent. My hope is for a third party to arise but I see little evidence of this happening. This is unfortunate because while this party might not win the first election ... they would do much better than people think which would give them a very good chance of winning the next election. I would bet that this third party would get at least a few seats.

    We need a party that is going to play the role of the Adult in the room. This party would be slightly right of center but a long way from the extremist right.
     
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    Semantics, barry pulled combat troops out, then had to reinsert combat troops after his creation of ISIS. How did the GOP stop him?
     
  7. Johnny-C

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    No. I'm not misled. I've seen what the GOP and Conservatives have said/done... and no, they aren't particularly popular or agreed with.

    As people slowly begin to fathom what the Right is actually doing... their success will diminish accordingly.

    No one can fool everyone in perpetuity.
     
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    I'm not buying your BS. I can see and I've paid attention to politics since before I became an adult and that was over 50 years ago.

    I'm paying attention, but I'll admit that my 'perspective' is probably different than yours.

    We'll see what transpires in the years to come.

    Peace.
     
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    They also didn't get anything really done either, and for most voters, they wanted this government to respond(but they also didn't want Dem's expansion ideas). This is an opportunity for Republicans to provide a "middle of the road option". But "no" or indifference is not a middle of the road option. Hence Trump.

    Now, none of what Trump said ended up being factual but that's not the point. The point is that he sold a good desperately needed: A Government that isn't radical, that can assure us it's handling the domestic incidents in the country fairly and is protecting the needs of US Citizens which BTW, include our minorities as well. They're citizens too.

    Everyone has a stake in good government. And the people are desperately searching for good government.
     
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    Why can't we just keep printing MORE money? Its endless dude=) Thats what happened the last 8 yrs. Go ask young college kids and they don't understand. Look at Bernie's voters. FREE EVERYTHING for EVERYONE and its FREE!!!! That's our next generation of geniuses. Get a major in Philosophy that costs $200k, find out you're not employable, so you sit at home and watch TV all day, but get free healthcare, rent and food and somehow it all gets paid for by someone=) They don't know, but they're happy not knowing and they have no problem with it.
     
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    When the immigration reform act of 1965 was passed by Congress legal immigration was around 200,000 per year. Kennedy did lie, he said the immigration levels wouldn't change. Today legal immigration is over one million every year. That doesn't include work visas and illegal immigration.
     
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    They'll learn as they get older. My Grand Daughter (by marriage) was always chiding me that I didn't want to "help" people. When she turned 16 and got a job in one of those trendy mall clothing stores, she came to my house and asked for an explanation of her pay stub because she worked X amount of hours and it didn't add up to the total of her first paycheck. I patiently pointed out the deductions on the pay stub. She stood there in stunned silence. Next I asked her what the problem was....she was "helping people", she stormed out of the house. Eventually the younger generations experience how hard they have to work to support those living off the system and their attitude changes.
     
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    More poor uneducated voters for the Santa Claus Party.
     
  14. Guno

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    younger people do not have the same backward racist cultural experiences , especially children of color who will be the majority
     
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    I'm sure they will come to their senses..............:roll:

    The Democrats have lost seat after seat by operating on the Obama Agenda playbook. The far left has taken over the party and commenced to killing it. The Democrat party is in deep deep trouble with the American people. The temper tantrum they continue to have over Trump will only make matters worse for them in 2018.
     
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    That's insane.
     
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    I'm sure you want that so badly to be true, but not according to the Census Bureau. Between 2010 and 2014 The percentage of the population White alone went from 72.4% to 77.4% for a full 5% increase. Blacks went from 12.6% to 13.2%, an increase of 0.6%. Latino's went from 16.3% to 17.4% for an increase4 of 1.1%. Asians went from 4.8% to 5.4% for a total of 0.6%. Let Jethro cipher for ya. 0.6% + 1.1% +0.6% = after the gazinta's it comes out to 2.3% which is less than half the growth for whites only at 5%.

    http://www.census.gov/quickfacts/
     
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    Take a look at this thread and tell me which party is obsessed with race?
     
  19. Guno

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    yes i am sure the white christian party wants to forget about their dog whistle racism

    why is the gop membership old bloated pasty faces?
     
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    Post your proof.
     
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    The trends WILL change. The Right has become exceedingly and consistently EXTREME... and people are beginning to notice.

    I didn't and wouldn't say that things would change 'quickly'... I'm only certain that the GOP had better find something far better to sell 'human beings', than what they are selling 'now'. Their influence WILL eventually diminish, because they are FORCING acceptance, via manipulation of various things. They are using deception, outright lies, racism and certainly money. But the schemes WILL eventually falter, because they are imperfect.

    If Republicans were other-than-human, I might imagine them winning and being in power perpetually... but their 'human' flaws and basically wretched (extreme/alt-right) agenda is evident RIGHT NOW. And Americans sooner or later, will respond to that.

    Change will come, like it or not.
     
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    Not the change you're selling. The Democratic Party has been dragging America to become the next Iraq. No matter how imperfect the Republican Party may be, it's not pushing an outright revolt. I will never vote for or associate with a party that believes in tribal warfare for its own agenda(Democrats).
     
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    It hasn't started yet, get back to me when it does.
     
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    It seems democrats have forgotten their shameful past. Yanno, slavery, Jim Crow, etc..
     
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