TRUMP SCIENCE ADVISOR DENIES APOLLO MOON LANDINGS EVER HAPPENED

Do you think that's what happened here,...
http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=1145.0

...or here?
http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=993.15
(start at post #21)

 

Can see that you lost. Any thinking person, and that most certainly does not include you, knows the Apollo missions could not possibly have been faked. Idiots who persist for 10 years and influence nobody, make lots of noise and run away from tough questions.

You just referred to another forum where the OP was happy with the corre t explanation given to him about cables. Predictably you cowardly avoid it.

Spam. Do you have an original thought at all in that painfully empty vessel you call a brain? The viewers never agree with you. There's no opinion to sway.

 

He knows full well. He's just acting the fool. Oddly, the one thing he is actually any good at.

 

You sad spammer. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You know nothing about dynamics in space, yet you have spent 10 years claiming that your pitiful observation is accurate.

http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/apollo-11-michael-collins-jacket.html?m=1

 

Case closed.

 

I remember the night of televised moon landing ... I could barely stay awake it happened so late ...

... the joke is that my Dad bought our first color television that day ... thinking that it was going to be in color ...

the first line is true ... the second line is a hoax perpetuated by my Dad's brothers ...

 

You wish!

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-ever-happened.512081/page-24#post-1068167269

 

Unfortunately there are differences which PROVE it cannot be in a vacuum. And you know it. When the flag is dragged underwater, side to side, the flag itself straightens and follows the line of movement. The water does this. In a vacuum the flag does not do this. Right there is your proof. All this business about speeds etc. is a red herring. You have successfully closed the argument.

Obviously you are afraid to admit it though.

Case closed. Answer the questions troll.

 

Can't you at least provide time marks for the supposed flag motions that according to you are impossible in water?

 

On the contrary, a simple search finds the solution to the problem with buoyancy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutral_Buoyancy_Laboratory#Neutral-buoyancy_training

"During training exercises, neutral-buoyancy diving is used to simulate the weightlessness of space travel. To achieve this effect, suited astronauts or pieces of equipment are lowered into the pool using an overhead crane and then weighted in the water by support divers so that they experience minimal buoyant force and minimal rotational moment about their center of mass."

The idea of using currents to do this is probably one of the more idiotic contentions used in this piece of footage. It is used as a stupid support argument for the debris flying off in all directions.

1. Multiple pieces of debris all coming from the hatch at various angles can't be bubbles.
2. The main "bubble" by the helmet is flat, white, rotating and is exiting angled towards the camera.
3. Neutral buoyancy is achieved by weights not idiotic uncited wave blowers.
4. The motion of the flag is completely impossible in water. Thanks to Descartes for the video that finally nailed this.
5. The pair of you are afraid to answer basic points and questions.

The emissivity that needs factoring in is encapsulated in the point number1 in the list of points you keep running away from!

1. . Tell us all how a supposedly 250F crumpled layer of Mylar or Kapton, emitting 0.05 of its heat, manages to bring up the layer next to it, to a similar temperature. Then add the required number of more layers as per the specification. Update Explain how 4 single layers in, plus 1 multi layer outside of it, it even gets to that temperature.
2.The LM had cooling and it did not fail, why is your straw man even relevant?
3. Point me to Al Bean's thermal engineering training in a 1955 degree.
4. How long exactly are you claiming it will be before the oxygen interior reaches maximum temperature? Provide figures,
5. How do unmanned satellites and othervehicles keep cool in space for years?

Cornered.

 

Where are the time marks for the supposed flag motions that according to you are impossible in water?

 

Rigid plastic. But the most telling thing is that as the poles are turned in opposite directions, the water drags the flag round so it follows the movement of the flagpole. Thank you for finding this. It's basically the last nail in the coffin. The Chinese flag acts mainly independent of the direction of the flagpole and many times swings edge on with it. It rotates on its own, your video has no such action.

The appeal to technology, without evidence. Basically saying "anything can be faked" doesn't actually prove it was. You do realise that don't you. You're claiming it's in a pool. The "bubble" proven to be a piece of ice. The flag folds over and springs back on itself. It clearly isn't rigid like the ones in your video.



Magic "bubbles" firing off in all directions. "Wet" paper rising up?

Speaking of technology, even a very basic Adobe after effects package can totally remove these little transient objects with about 5 minutes effort. If it was damning why would they leave them in? Don't answer, not that you do anyway!

On the contrary, a simple search finds the solution to the problem with buoyancy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutral_Buoyancy_Laboratory#Neutral-buoyancy_training

"During training exercises, neutral-buoyancy diving is used to simulate the weightlessness of space travel. To achieve this effect, suited astronauts or pieces of equipment are lowered into the pool using an overhead crane and then weighted in the water by support divers so that they experience minimal buoyant force and minimal rotational moment about their center of mass."

The idea of using currents to do this is probably one of the more idiotic contentions used in this piece of footage. It is used as a stupid support argument for the debris flying off in all directions.

1. Multiple pieces of debris all coming from the hatch at various angles can't be bubbles.
2. The main "bubble" by the helmet is flat, white, rotating and is exiting angled towards the camera.
3. Neutral buoyancy is achieved by weights not idiotic uncited wave blowers.
4. The motion of the flag is completely impossible in water. Thanks to Descartes for the video that finally nailed this.
5. The pair of you are afraid to answer basic points and questions.

 

1. . Tell us all how a supposedly 250F crumpled layer of Mylar or Kapton, emitting 0.05 of its heat, manages to bring up the layer next to it, to a similar temperature. Then add the required number of more layers as per the specification. Update Explain how 4 single layers in, plus 1 multi layer outside of it, it even gets to that temperature.
2.The LM had cooling and it did not fail, why is your straw man even relevant?
3. Point me to Al Bean's thermal engineering training in a 1955 degree.
4. How long exactly are you claiming it will be before the oxygen interior reaches maximum temperature? Provide figures,
5. How do unmanned satellites and othervehicles keep cool in space for years?

Cornered.

 

Answer my questions and points you appalling troll. You have been given your response already. The Philippine flag is rigid and keeps its shape. Every time the pole is moved left, the flag follows in a straight line. Every time it is moved right, it does the same.

In the vacuum of space, the obvious fabric Chinese flag swings independently of any drag. It rotates at ludicrous velocity for supposed water. This is why the idiotic slower motion claim was put forward. This has been proven to be crap. The flag flaps around often square on to direction of motion. You want time stamps? All of it!



You are cornered again. On the one hand the motion is far too fast for water, but slowed down looks ridiculous and doesn't smoothly blend in. It also looks totally obviously slow motion. Flags don't flap around independently in water.

 

Where are the time marks for the supposed flag motions that according to you are impossible in water?

 

Answer my questions and points you appalling troll. You have been given your response already. The Philippine flag is rigid and keeps its shape. Every time the pole is moved left, the flag follows in a straight line. Every time it is moved right, it does the same.

In the vacuum of space, the obvious fabric Chinese flag swings independently of any drag. It rotates at ludicrous velocity for supposed water. This is why the idiotic slower motion claim was put forward. This has been proven to be crap. The flag flaps around often square on to direction of motion. You want time stamps? All of it!



You are cornered again. On the one hand the motion is far too fast for water, but slowed down looks ridiculous and doesn't smoothly blend in. It also looks totally obviously slow motion. Flags don't flap around independently in water.

 

He's trying to muddy the waters by keeping things a little vague because he knows you'll checkmate him if he's too precise. No matter now lame his position is, he'll continue saying lame things with an authoritative patronizing attitude. He just cares about his salary.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-ever-happened.512081/page-25#post-1068182524

 

The spammer and the troll, two sad human beings without a clue. This poor fool puts up a thread about the cables where the OP is happy at the response given. He ignores it of course and has the audacity to claim the thread was unfairly closed. Zero credibilty, no honor, no logic, no chance of honest debate.

AGAIN!

Answer my questions and points you appalling troll. You have been given your response already. The Philippine flag is rigid and keeps its shape. Every time the pole is moved left, the flag follows in a straight line. Every time it is moved right, it does the same.

In the vacuum of space, the obvious fabric Chinese flag swings independently of any drag. It rotates at ludicrous velocity for supposed water. This is why the idiotic slower motion claim was put forward. This has been proven to be crap. The flag flaps around often square on to direction of motion. You want time stamps? All of it!



You are cornered again. On the one hand the motion is far too fast for water, but slowed down looks ridiculous and doesn't smoothly blend in. It also looks totally obviously slow motion. Flags don't flap around independently in water.

 

I think that you are just a little upset that the video you made that supposedly proved that the chinese flags are in space has been shown to be suspect. You did a nice job on the video btw - nice slow motion on the flags - the only problem is that in the Philippine video we have actual earthly evidence that your conclusion is wrong. Sorry, Beta.

 

Sorry troll. It was the idea of the serial forum spammer. I disproved his idiotic claim. Most telling was that you backed him up.

AGAIN!

Answer my questions and points you appalling troll. You have been given your response already. The Philippine flag is rigid and keeps its shape. Every time the pole is moved left, the flag follows in a straight line. Every time it is moved right, it does the same.

In the vacuum of space, the obvious fabric Chinese flag swings independently of any drag. It rotates at ludicrous velocity for supposed water. This is why the idiotic slower motion claim was put forward. This has been proven to be crap. The flag flaps around often square on to direction of motion. You want time stamps? All of it!



You are cornered again. On the one hand the motion is far too fast for water, but slowed down looks ridiculous and doesn't smoothly blend in. It also looks totally obviously slow motion. Flags don't flap around independently in water.

1. . Tell us all how a supposedly 250F crumpled layer of Mylar or Kapton, emitting 0.05 of its heat, manages to bring up the layer next to it, to a similar temperature. Then add the required number of more layers as per the specification.Update Explain how 4 single layers in, plus 1 multi layer outside of it, it even gets to that temperature.
2.The LM had cooling and it did not fail, why is your straw man even relevant?
3. Point me to Al Bean's thermal engineering training in a 1955 degree.
4. How long exactly are you claiming it will be before the oxygen interior reaches maximum temperature? Provide figures,
5. How do unmanned satellites and othervehicles keep cool in space for years?

Cornered.

I did ask you to look up strawnan. You seem to be afraid to do that as well. So many things you have run away from, you sad person.

 

It takes one to know one...

 

No troll. I answer points and questions. Only there reaches a point where my patience will no longer allow sad fools to keep ignoring them.

So out of touch are you, that you don't have a clue about those questions above. It must have taken you some time to even find them. This invites the question of how to keep an idiot busy.

The man who made the main China faked it video, that the serial forum spammer uses and also relies on for his"credibility test", does NOT believe that 911 was an inside job, or that the Apollo moon missions were faked. This makes a mockery of the idiotic credibility test and also was a precursor for yet another of his monumentally moronic supporting claims. Namely that the video maker was got at!!

He himself is left to freely spread his crap for 10 years, but this guy was "forced" to deny these two pathetic conspiracies. Not Jarrah White and his hundreds of direct videos, not any of the thousands of random YouTube users who have more time than brains! Just this random guy.

I'm sure, knowing your very low calibre and integrity quotient, you will immediately agree with him.

Now you painfully inept troll:-


AGAIN!

Answer my questions and points you appalling troll. You have been given your response already. The Philippine flag is rigid and keeps its shape. Every time the pole is moved left, the flag follows in a straight line. Every time it is moved right, it does the same.

In the vacuum of space, the obvious fabric Chinese flag swings independently of any drag. It rotates at ludicrous velocity for supposed water. This is why the idiotic slower motion claim was put forward. This has been proven to be crap. The flag flaps around often square on to direction of motion. You want time stamps? All of it!



You are cornered again. On the one hand the motion is far too fast for water, but slowed down looks ridiculous and doesn't smoothly blend in. It also looks totally obviously slow motion. Flags don't flap around independently in water.

1. . Tell us all how a supposedly 250F crumpled layer of Mylar or Kapton, emitting 0.05 of its heat, manages to bring up the layer next to it, to a similar temperature. Then add the required number of more layers as per the specification.Update Explain how 4 single layers in, plus 1 multi layer outside of it, it even gets to that temperature.
2.The LM had cooling and it did not fail, why is your straw man even relevant?
3. Point me to Al Bean's thermal engineering training in a 1955 degree.
4. How long exactly are you claiming it will be before the oxygen interior reaches maximum temperature? Provide figures,
5. How do unmanned satellites and othervehicles keep cool in space for years?

Cornered and a coward.

 

Why do you keep posting the same stuff over and over? You must be running out of original material. You are doing the very same thing that you accuse Scott of doing. You are the spammer here.

And why should I answer your continual barrage of already answered screwy questions? I have little interest in being your NASA Dirty Moon Tricks encyclopedia or your research assistant. You can't even answer one little question from me.

Here is a simple question I asked you quite awhile back - would you like to answer it now?

 

Because you keep avoiding it troll. You avoid huge rebuttal posts completely. What motivates a person to behave so disgracefully!

You claimed there were currents used to support astronauts in water. A quite ludicrously ignorant claim. You were proven wrong, so where dies tgat leave your "bubbles" flying off in all directions and a clump of paper!

A liar and a coward. Show where you answered them.

1. Tell us all how a supposedly 250F crumpled layer of Mylar or Kapton, emitting 0.05 of its heat, manages to bring up the layer next to it, to a similar temperature. Then add the required number of more layers as per the specification. Update Explain how 4 single layers in, plus 1 multi layer outside of it, it even gets to that temperature.
2.The LM had cooling and it did not fail, why is your straw man even relevant?
3. Point me to Al Bean's thermal engineering training in a 1955 degree.
4. How long exactly are you claiming it will be before the oxygen interior reaches maximum temperature? Provide figures,
5. How do unmanned satellites and othervehicles keep cool in space for years?

Depends. Where is it exactly? On the Moon, surface reflection and eventual sunshine direct through the window will result in it heating up. The cooling system was for equipment heat. The shielding stopped the vast majority of incoming IR. But the windows would let in significant IR when constantly exposed.

In cislunar space there would be no incoming surface IR, the angle of the Sun would not be direct, the craft rolls to spread thermal heat. It would get cold.

Your turn!

 

I'm sure you know what I am going to say here; and of course I am going to say you are wrong.

During a full moon the moon temperature would be about 250 degrees fahrenheit, just as predicted by astronaut Alan Bean. Without power the LM would also eventually reach 250 degrees F - but of course the LM had plenty of battery power to keep it cool.

A.C. Weisbecker made a good video talking about the apparent contradiction with Apollo 13 losing power and getting cold as opposed to Alan Bean's declaration that the LM would get very hot (250 F). Scott posted that video in post #278 here:

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-ever-happened.512081/page-14#post-1068033476

The ascent stage shielding was mostly anodized aluminum panels. Anodized aluminum in direct sunlight gets extremely hot as anyone with an aluminum storm door on their house knows - and insulation or not that heat is going to find its way into the LM.

I don't understand what you mean by the angle of the sun in cislunar space would not be direct. The LM is suspended out there in the vacuum of space - you can't get more direct sunlight than that!

As far as the craft rolling to spread the heat - the average temperature of the LM would be the same, rolling or not. In fact a case could be made that it would be better to not roll the craft because at least some sections of the LM would be cooler than others. Modern satellite technology actually uses just such an idea.

The LM would not get cold in cislunar space if it lost power, it would warm up. NASA dropped the ball when they cooked up (pun) the story of Apollo 13!

James Lovell: "We had to power down the guidance system; turn it off - we had to power down the computer - really, all we had going for us was a radio to talk back to the earth and a little fan to circulate the atmosphere."

But powering down had an another unwelcome effect - with the heaters switched off the temperatures began to drop...

"We were losing more heat out into space than we were gathering from the sun and therefore the temperature kept dropping and dropping and finally got down to about 34 degrees F in the LM and even colder in the CM."

Alan Bean: "If the lunar module is sitting in the sun, which it always is, then slowly but surely that temperature inside is going to go up to 250 degrees fahrenheit, and you aint going to make it, because you're going to cook long before that."

Something is definitely amiss here...