Papa John's Pulls NFL-Associated Ads Citing 'Negative Consumer Sentiment'

I love how you guys turn to personal insults when your arguments fall flat. Sure, I voted for Trump. I sure as hell wasn't going to vote for Hillary (aka Obama 2.0). I also voted for Obama in 2008 (America, I sincerely apologize) and I was rooting for Rubio this time around, but I can't vote in the primaries because I'm an Independent. Sorry if that shoots holes in your "Trump lapdog" theory. Maybe you can drag out the racism card next. If you're a good poodle maybe Hillary will give you one of her slippers.

I don't know where you were or how up-to-date you were on the news when Kaepernick started this kneeling sh*t, but I absolutely do remember it. I thought he was a d*****bag then and I think he's a d*****bag still, and that was the shared consensus amongst my friends and associates as well. I don't know why you assume everyone was living under a rock. I can't speak for this forum, I wasn't a member back then, but you probably shouldn't assume all of life happens only here on this forum anyhow.

It's a dangerous stance in business to be so nonchalant about offending and losing one segment of your customers because you arrogantly assume others will step in to take their place.

Hmm..... this is not unlike how the Democratic Party has been shooting themselves in the foot as well, insulting and being condescending to entire groups of Americans, and assuming it's a risk worth taking because they'd make up for it by growing their base.... Maybe the NFL could speed up their demise and just come out and call the patriots "deplorables"

 

It's not often I get softballs like this tossed to me, but I'm about to eat your lunch so I hope you're not hungry.

1. The fans were already upset with the kneeling before the season started and long before Trump made his comments. Take a look here https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/08/22/cleveland-browns-anthem-protests-nfl There are MANY other articles out there showing Americans were upset with the kneeling long before Trump said anything, that why the crowd cheered his remarks when he made them, because they already knew and were upset about the disrespectful kneeling. So there are no Trump lapdogs, you could say Trump took our lead and came through for us. Next time don't make up your own facts about lapdogs.

2. Back to the lapdogs for a moment, why do you leftists constantly accuse us of doing the very things you do? You call us lap dogs for following Trump when it's not true, but you guys will change your core beliefs on the whims of a politician who only needs your vote. Examples you say? Sure thing. Both Clintons and Obama wanted border security (see Clinton's State of the Union speech where he slammed illegal aliens) and Obama and Hillary Clinton signed off on a wall. You guys must of agreed with them because you elected all three of them into numerous government offices. A few years later what happens? They need the votes so all of a sudden they're for open borders, amnesty, less deportations, benefits for illegals and sanctuary cities. What's your position on illegals? You're for them, but I bet you were against them when the Three Stooges were. That makes you a lapdog.

Another point about being a liberal lapdog - same sex marriages. Both Clintons and Obama were against SSM, there have been numerous threads and videos of their very lips moving on this subject. Now what is their position? They wanted the votes and suddenly the White House is lit up in pastel colors. What's your position on SSM? Let me guess, it's the position a lapdog is told to take.

3. Ezekiel Elliot was never charged with a crime. Instead, the NFL took their private investigators and security force and looked into his behavior and not only suspended him, they're fighting an expensive court battle to keep him suspended. The NFL decided Elliot's behavior off the field and on his own time was to their disliking, so they punished him severely for it. But when numerous players insult millions of fans on company time, in a company uniform while representing the company, the league does nothing, and it should be noted the players have no right to protest during the times and places they do it. From those facts one can only conclude the following:

A. The league approves of the disrespecting of millions of Americans
B. The league sees investigating a nonevent more important than disrespecting millions of Americans
C. Suspending Elliot for a nonevent could be racist

4. If Trump really wanted to take a shot at the NFL all he would need to do is have some interviewer ask him again what he thinks of the disrespectful protesters and answer the question like this: "I think any patriotic and loyal American would stand for the National Anthem when appropriate, I mean, what patriotic and loyal American wouldn't?" With that, the NFL player's union would go insane, and probably like the last time, they'll contact each team and tell them to kneel. You'll recognize the NFL union types, you saw them a few weeks ago being interviewed outside of NFL headquarters, they were the ones dressed like the last job they had was escorting Mike Tyson from the dressing room to the ring. Anyway, another comment from Trump would cause more players to kneel and more fans to just give up on them.

 

Ok, name one

 

Yeah they were so upset that no one noticed Kaepernick not standing for two games before some sideline reporter snapped a pic the third game of the preseason. That was the first time he ever mentioned it to the media when he was asked about it after the game.

By the way I just saw a Papa Johns commercial during the game. They must not be that upset.

 

In The tax Bill: No tax exempt bonds for professional stadiums.

 

Papa John criticized the NFL leadership and lost $70 million in in sales.... You didn't get it.

 

Yea, Margot, cause the current trend is that people who aren't supporting the NFL are the ones losing money. /eyeroll

 

They aren't buying Papa John's Pizza...

 

Because they've been a huge NFL ad partner.

 

Not sure if I get your point, unless every fan in America can fit into the stadium when Kap is kneeling, then how else would we ever know were it not for the media?

 

My point is that people who say this was a huge deal before Trump said anything are not being truthful. Viewers do not see the anthem. The networks play commercials during it. Most people at home had no idea players were kneeling or who they were unless they heard about it in the media, and the media really didn't report on it much until Trump said something. The fact that the guy who started it all did it for two games before anyone noticed is telling.

 

Oh and when exactly are they pulling their advertising, because I have seen three commercials already tonight?

 

Do you know what the subject is? I don't think that you do. If you did you would have got to the meat of the subject and not worried yourself so much about whether it was 2009 or 2008 or whatever.

You have no idea what we are talking about, do you.

You are just silly.

 

That's true. There are those Americans who feel that compelling citizens to stand and place their hand over their heart is anti-DEMOCRATIC .............. which it is. THAT is the offence you speak of.

Disrespect? When did that happen, except in their (your) fragile imagination? The only disrespect I see is in denying Democratic principles by forcing people to take part in Political propaganda at sporting events.

 

If the flag is political propaganda then which side does the flag represent? If the flag doesn't represent you then why are you here? If the flag doesn't represent blacks then which country flies a flag that does? If you don't like it here then the best part about this country is you're free to leave, but you never do. Why?

 

One big difference between you and I is that you seem to feel people must be "forced" to take part in political gestures (for lack of a better word) whereas I love my country and I am proud and happy to participate voluntarily. Patriots don't have to be "forced" to stand for the anthem or respect our flag. It's sad that you feel people would only be "compelled" to do this by force.

 

Correct. Disrespect and being Offended by it .... it's all just crocodile tears. It's McCarthyism still free-wheeling in the minds of American buffoonery. These things still scare the crap out of Americans - to be called un-American and anti-American. It's like you said, no one noticed until the media started their sensationalist babbling. Once they opened McCarthy's window everyone was frantic to distance themselves from the un-American/anti-Ameican label, "Oh gosh! I am so offended! What a disrespect to this fine nation of ours! This is not what my grandfather fought for during WW II! We'd all be speaking German or Russian if it were not for the bravery .........and we wouldn't have our freedoms today to invade innocent nations and people with impunity ..... bla-bla-bla!"

Correct again.

 

But under threat of having your business boycotted or burned to the ground, you will be forced to accept their positions on illegals, gays, bathrooms, history, statues, etc.

 

The side the propagandists say it does. They decide what you should think and what you should "feel".

I am not.

None. "Black" does not have a country.

The most absurd statement you've ever made ... so far.

 

The proof is in the pudding. If what you say were true then there would be no issue/debate/scandal over Colin Kaepernick. What is the percentage of spectators who stand during the national anthem do you think?

 

1. And you're told the flag is racist.
2. The butt out
3. But white does?
4. So in your mind people should be free to come here, the most racist and oppressive country in the world to the point where millionaires protest it, but they're not free to leave. Gotcha.

 

I didn't see any Papa Johns commercials tonight.

But I'm standing up for America, the U.S. military and the Stars and Stripes and cut back on my watching NFL games by 80 %.

I like the new Fox News line up, especially Laura Ingraham.

 

It's quite simple really......the NFL has brazenly chosen to break its bond with its customers/consumers/fans. They have basically said 'we choose to placate our malcontent/clownish employees and tell you to take a flying ****'. Well now the people paying the tab are saying 'dance on without me and let me know how all that works out'. It was a very tenuous bond with a 70% White fan base and a 70% black performer group. The average White fan no longer wants to expend a significant amount of his disposable income and time to watch Kaepernick piss on his own military/first responder/LEO history, or that of his father, brother, son, etc. The next generation of White fans did not grow up in a football only culture (more play lacrosse or soccer) and have no idea why there fathers spend their Sundays watching black clowns like Beckham acting like a dog on all fours peeing on the field...........like I said......a tenuous bond has been broken and a business/marketing empire will crumble......sad really.

 

Well when you have a President attempting to harm a private company because he doesn't like the actions of a handful of its employees, I see a problem with that.

 

There were three in the first half alone.

Did you stand for the anthem? Oh that's right it wasn't shown on TV. Did anyone kneel? Apparently the full stadium there didn't care if someone did or not.