Ground Invasion Only Way to Destroy North Korea’s Nuclear Arsenal, Pentagon Says

You mean like a person's strategy against potential murder it to develop a strategy of how to win after being murdered?

If NK attacks with nuclear weapons, there is no "win" left possible. We lost and China won. All that remains is potential retaliation, which would not change our having lost and China won.

 

That is the primary goal of the north koreans and their chinese patron

 

In lib la land a weak and vulnerable United States is good for the world

They want kim to have a nuclear knife at our throat

 

Kim Jung Un is a proven true mass murdering sadistic sociopath. However, he serves China's interests extremely well as Kim is pursuing eliminating all of China's major economic, political and military adversaries for them - while China plays innocent.

Kim Jung Un is the ONLY leader of ANY country with nuclear weapons to promise that he IS going to engage in a nuclear attack - and specifically against the USA. The position of the Democratic Party is that we MUST allow him to do so, because if we don't let him destroy 10 or 20 of our largest cities first he might hurt S. Koreans and Japanese.

 

The whole thing is so mad. Let's be honest, Putin did not corrupt the American elections. Did he have a favourite or a "lesser of two evils" just like everyone else? Of course, he did. Didn't you? Didn't I? What does it have to do with anything at all? And what's the crap about "wrappin' his arms round 'im"? What is that suppose to prove? That they greeted one another in the same old way that all Russians greet visitors? And who was sitting next to Putin at the dinner table .... ooooooooo! Have you ever listened to Putin talk about those things? You should, it's really funny. Sometimes he laughs so hard that he can't speak.

This isn't how we imagined world leaders would perform. And these are the people who advocate war! I think you said something about banking tycoons and wall street sociopaths being the real puppet masters, and it's true. Can there be any doubt? But if they are going to "fake us out" is it really necessary for them to insult our intelligence in the process? I mean, "Hello! We saw that! We have eyes, you know!" I suppose it doesn't matter any longer what we think, and what we know. They're going to do their dirtiest anyway and there's sod all that we do about it, eh? I keep waiting for the tanks to roll into the capital à la Jeltsin & the Moscovites. It must happen, no? I cannot see any other solution. It almost happened (without bloodshed) in the early 1970's. So close! But it failed. Not because it was a bad idea but because no one knew where the goal post was. They got to the 90 yard-line and sat down for a rest .... and never got up again. I guess everyone thought it would carry on by its own momentum. But it didn't. The crooks were watching closely on the sideline, waiting for their chance ... and it came! They slammed on the brakes faster than you could say "Peace and Harmony" and got to work to restart their industries of corruption. And that's what we see right now.

 

No Democrat I have read has ever answered the core question:

If Kim Jung Un obliterates DC, NYC, Chicago, Miami, LA, Houston, Boston, Dallas, Atlanta, Cleveland, Philly, Milwaukee, St. Louis, San Diego, Tokyo and Seoul in a nuclear first strike - how do we then "win?" By killing 10 million impoverished S. Korean peasants who had no say whatsoever over this?

That seems the Democratic Party's perspective - that we MUST give Kim Jung Un to opportunity to do what he has promised: to obliterate the USA. Why would he care if we kill 10 million N. Koreans in retaliation? He takes great pleasure in killing N. Koreans himself.

As for himself? He is a true psychotic sociopath who believes he is a living god - literally - and has a 150,000 seat stadium specifically for people to worship him as a god numerous times a year. Merely failing to bow to a poster of him required in every home and around town is reason to send a person to a holocaust death camp no different than Nazi death camps - and to send everyone in the family for 3 generations there too. He does not believe we could kill him in any retaliation because he is a god.

He also is aware that he would gain true historic immorality if he does what he promises to do - attack the USA, Japan and South Korea with nuclear weapons. When he does this, he assures his name will be remembered for the next 5000 years and now a billion plus people would cheer him, most notably Muslims around the world but also many other people including some Western liberals.

The title of the worlds greatest mass murderer of 100+ million people and essentially destroying 3 countries including the most powerful in the world - is something no true sociopath could resist as it would make him the greatest person to have ever lived. He WANTS the title of THE most murderous evil leader now and would like it to be the most murderous person in world history. Nor would any person have so changed the course of human history so quickly as he would have done.

Kim Jung Un will carry out his promise unless he is stopped before having the capability to do so. A trillion diversionary words and talk by zippy pinheads won't change anything.

 

I can see no way of dealing with N.K other than defensive containment.
The risk of a WW3 is too great if the US initiates any form of attack.
Additionally, the US is already spread too thinly around the world for a ground invasion that is certain to involve China's immense resources.
I worry, however that Trump is far to bellicose and easily provoked for the job of Commander in Chief.
The US has tried the military option once before in an attempt to solve the NK - SK conflict with dismal, costly and failed results

 

What WW3? That only can happen if you get your want in allowing Kim Jung Un to have the ability to engage in a world war, which he does not now have. Your "defensive containment" actually is "defending Kim Jung Un's program of the destruction of the USA." Your opinion in real terms is that we MUST allow Kim Jung Un to destroy the USA. You DEMAND we allow Kim Jung Un to be able to make WW3 possible.

No ground invasion is necessary to eliminate the danger.

 

What does “defensive containment” mean?

 

We do not have to march all the way to the Yalu river to end the north korean nuclear threat

If china were serious about avoiding a shooting war in korea the would take out kim for us

 

Or take you out for Kim.

 

Honestly, they will just arm Kim. Problem solved.

 

“In an attempt to slow the Chinese advance, MacArthur ordered the bridges across the Yalu to be bombed. After due consultation with his advisers, Truman declared that he would not approve of such an action, and the Joint Chiefs cancelled the order.[85] When MacArthur protested, the President and the Joint Chiefs authorized the bombings, subject to the caveat that Chinese air space not be violated. Major General Emmett O'Donnell would later cite this to the Congressional inquiry into MacArthur's relief as an example of undue political interference in military operations. The Yalu River had many bends, and in some cases there were very restricted lines of approach without overflying the Yalu. This made life easier for the Communist antiaircraft gunners, but correspondingly less so for the aircrew.[86]Within weeks, MacArthur was forced to retreat, and both Truman and MacArthur were forced to contemplate the prospect of abandoning Korea entirely.[87]”

President Truman's relief of General Douglas MacArthur

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_Truman's_relief_of_General_Douglas_MacArthur

The Air Force brass claimed they could not take out the bridges without crossing the border. The failure to knock out those bridges was a horrendous failure of our combined political and military leadership. It cost us 10s of thousands of lives, and may be about to cost us even more soon.

 

The UN Charter bans aggressive war. The UN Charter was crafted by America's brilliant foreign policy elite.

 

Massive retaliation is now our only viable option. Are we even capable of that?

 

Paranoid fools.....the USA starts wars all over the globe, then when countries stand up to them they start their false news propaganda....no wonder the US people are so paranoid and "scared"....they refuse to question their government about anything but blindly follow, like a bunch of sheep....the presidents can tell them anything and do anything and they all believe it is good....

 

And then some.

 

Any war you are winning is a good war.

 

I think massive retaliation is only a pretence to prevent the adversaries from attacking us in the first place. North Korea should know that the country will be wiped off the map, if it's stupid enough to use nuclear weapons against America or its allies. This situation is similar to pointing a gun at a criminal who is about to make a wrong move, which is how containment works.

 

You seem to attach more significance to that than I would

Truman was overly cautious and put rules of engagement on the air force that made if difficult or impossible to carry out their mission

Those rules hindered the US Air Force throughout the war but they always attempted to accomplish their mission

So what is your point?

 

We have not started a war with north korea

But even a spineless euro would take some action if a madman was systematically drawing a gun and putting to the euros head

Kim must be stopped no matter what it takes

 

Um I have just googled this to see if you are correct. You are not, I have found dozens of threats against America by NK from 2010 to 2015. Unless you think our last President was a war monger who threatened NK with destruction as well.

 

Let's hope Kim believes that.

 

Errors like that lose wars. The fact that a commander with MacArthur's credibility could not prevent Truman and the Air Force from letting those bridges stand is very disturbing.

 

If trump had been president instead of truman i bet he would have unleashed the air force on those bridges