What age difference asking someone of the opposite gender for a date be a criminal offense?

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What age difference asking someone of the opposite gender for a date be a criminal offense?

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  3. 10 years

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  4. 15 years

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  5. 20 years

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  6. 25+ years

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  7. Not illegal if both are of legal age regardless of age difference

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  8. Not illegal, but should bar the person from public office depending on party affiliation

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  9. Not illegal if of legal age, but should cause the person to be banned from public office for life

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  10. A non-teenager should never be allowed to ask a teenager for a date

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  1. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This question does not consider the allegation against Moore regarding a woman claiming 38 years later at age 14 a 31 year old man removed some of her clothes, but did not continue to engage in sex and took her home.

    This is about the allegation that a 31 year old man asked 3 legal aged teenagers for a date. All 3 said he engaged in no sexual talk, actions, suggestions or touching. Rather, he had only asked them to go on a date. Possibly he kissed one of them, which the woman did not say was improper. For this, it is claimed he is a pedophile, predator, should be hated and should be barred from public office for life.

    I limited this to heterosexual sex, since an older adult gay man (Harvey Milk) who admitted to having sex with an underage boy recently had a navy ship named after him and is considered a hero in gay and many Democratic circles, ie felony criminal pedophilia is allowed IF it same sex.

    In the past, everywhere in the world including the USA, this would define the overwhelming majority of men who ever lived and the overwhelming majority of marriages as pedophilia. Until the last few decades and in the West marriage by age 17 was the norm rather than exception. However, again, this is only about asking someone young to go an a date - not about sex or marriage. Just asking for a date.


    However in current PC society, if it is heterosexual, it is irrelevant even if no sex was involved and the other person is of legal age – if the age difference is too great. So, this raised the question of at what age difference between a male and female – even if now legal – should seeking a date disqualify a person from every holding government office, defines the person as a sex pervert, and possibly should be criminalized?

    The attack against Roy Moore included 3 women, age 16 to 17 – legal age in Alabama – claimed Roy Moore (age 31) asked them out on dates 38 years ago. All 3 stated he engaged in no improper touching, no sexual contact and no sexual suggestions. There is no claim if he did so it was illegal. Rather, his offense by which he should be publicly hated and barred from holding office includes asking females 12 to 13 years younger than him for a date.

    The allegation that he asked legal age females younger than him for a date is being used by the Democratic Party, some RINO Republicans, the media and press as proof that he is a pedophile, should be hated, and should be disqualified from public office.

    At what age difference should asking someone of the opposite gender for a date be a criminal offense or otherwise bar a person from holding public office for the rest of his/her life?
     
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    Why does this poll suggest differing legal standards for politicians?
     
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    My opinion is that I have no problem whatsoever with a 31 year old asking a legal-age teenager for a date. However, if under 18 and still living at home the parent may forbid it as a non-criminal matter, as happened in the allegations against Moore.

    This poll goes to the heart of the issue/attacks against Moore regarding 3 of the 4 women claiming events of 38 years ago.
     
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    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is one possible perspective a person may have - that it should not be criminally illegal but should bar a person from public office.
     
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    That is total hogwash. You can't bar a person from running or holding political office without due process. That means a law has to be violated.
     
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    Under 18 (or 16 depending on the state and the 'era') requires parental consent. Did the 14yo's parents consent to the date? If not, and there was no sexual context, then it could be kidnapping. If there was sexual context, then its rape.

    If there was parental consent for the date and no sexual context, then its a big nothingburger.
     
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    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I excluded the 14 year old as that is a different issue, but I believe your analysis is correct concerning a 14 year old.
     
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    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not true. People can be barred from a public office for reasons other than a criminal offense conviction. Not only does this include topics such as residency, but also ethics violations. Most judges removed from office or barred from holding office or being a judge again is for ethics violations, not any criminal conduct.

    Asking out someone too young for a date could be defined in law as an ethics violation, not necessarily a criminal offense.
     
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    It is notable that the allegation of an incident 38 years ago with the 14 year old is that he did not have sex with her or even attempt to by her alleged allegation, but rather that he took her home. The 3 teenagers of legal age stated there was nothing of a sexual nature or action by him.
     
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    Residency is a legal standard, aka a law. Ethics violations are tried in a court under specific laws. You may want to study up on this.
     
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    Of course you don't. Does it matter if she's hit puberty yet? How about 13, 12, 10? They marry 'em at 11 in the South. I bet those honeymoons are interesting!
     
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    And took off his clothes and fondled her with her in her underwear. Took her hand and rubbed his pecker with it.
     
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    HereWeGoAgain Banned

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    So let's be clear: No matter what Moore did, we have our die-hard righties defending child molestation.

    I really didn't think the right could sink any lower but they managed to do so.
     
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    Care to actually discuss the topic of the poll, rather that what is not a topic of the poll?
     
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    Care to stop dishing out bs? You are defending child molestation.

    You are defending child molestation.

    You are defending child molestation.

    Get it yet?

    So again, where do you draw the line? 10, 9, 8?
     
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    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Interesting stats:

    7% of Americans have had sex by age 13.
    By age 16 over 30% have.
    By age 18, 70% to 84% have (depending race).

    Also, people do not agree what constitutes "having had sex." Many do not define having sex as including oral sex or manual sex, only actual intercourse. Surprisingly, a notable percentage do not even count intercourse wearing a condom as having sex.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3064497/

    In this, then the "morality" is not so much based on having sex, but age difference. This is a modern, Western view only. All of human history contradicts it. Thus, in current PCism, a 17 year old female (of legal age) could be having wild and routine group sex with the football team, basketball team and anyone else willing to do so - and that is a-ok. No criticism of any of those males. BUT if 1 of the 200 males, one of those did not actual have intercourse but only asked her for a date? He's a sick pedophile and predatory perverted bastard who should be hated and only for technical reasons isn't imprisoned. The singular distinction? Age gap.

    Why?

    A 17 year old who will have sex with a 19 year old driving a new Corvette is a-ok, but OMG! if it is with a 30 year old driving a new Corvette? Just like males, there are females who are extremely promiscuous seeking sex - and lots of it - and often at a very young age. Once she becomes of legal age, what difference does age difference make PROVIDED it is consentual? Indeed, in the Moore instance for 3 teenagers of legal age - all stating there was not even a hint of even the topic of sex, he is still cast and a pedophile predatory bastard to be hated because he asked for a date? So we are going back to Puritan values for our moral judgments and elections?

    In this, seems a HUGE modern PC gender perception favoring women and opposing men, in that it seems to be the view that sex with a female victimizes her and the male is a predator. It asserts of course men want sex for the sake of the pleasure of sex, but of course females don't UNLESS for a greater relationship. Thus, non-relationship sex or even just dating is predatory by the male UNLESS he's courting her for marriage - and no female wants sex just for the pleasure of sex.

    Yet the actual stats show there is VERY little difference between females seeking sex over males seeking sex just to have sex. Of course, ithis all is still the Judeo-Christ presumption that sex is evil, sinful and harmful - unless in marriage or courtship/relationship of course. Since law does NOT recognize this, instead it is just a religious-morality social standard. But does it make any sense really?

    It is strange seeing the Democratic Party becoming hell and brimstone Bible beaters standing on soap boxes and on TV ranting that men who are fornicators are wickedly evil and sick perverted sex predators to be publicly hated, ridiculed and treated as social outcasts. A 31 year old asked a legal age 17 year old female for a date 38 years ago? HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN IMPRISONED FOR LIFE! So says the Democratic Party.
     
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    The poll draws the line at "legal age," which ranges from 16 to 18 in nearly all states. TRY READING.

    The topic is about teenagers of legal age. Go stand on a street corner with a bullhorn and Bible and rant your BS Puritan values.
     
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    The poll is about people of legal age. Nothing to do with 14 year olds.

    Let's be clear. You want it to be a criminal offense for 17 year olds to even date. Obviously you are a Pentecostal religious zealot.

    Are you sobbing at a Pentecostal wailing wall over the 70% of teens who have sex by age 17, demanding the government require all females to wear chastity belts until she is 21 and then it doesn't come off until she is married by a minister?
     
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    No, ethics violations usually are decided by ethics committees. There is no trial, no jury. You may want to study up on this. There is nothing to prevent a state from establishing a rule on ethics concerning dating, sex and age differentiation.

    Example, a judge was removed from the bench when it learned he used a penis pump (out of sight of others under his bench) during a trial. No one saw the penis pump or his genitals. But it was suspected (possible one of the clerks saw the pump in his chambers) and it seemed like he was doing something under his bench during the trial. Possibly thinking it wasn't against any rules he admitted it.

    No law nor even ethics rule specifically forbidden this. However, it was deemed grossly improper and he was removed. There was no trial or jury. Rather, just the state's Judicial Board On Ethics and members on a committee in a private hearing the public could not attend nor any transcript released.
     
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    Who says that?

    I hear that by law, it takes evidence. Do you believe in law?
     
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    Here's an example of why "men are predators and women are victims" if there is an age gap is just factually wrong.

    A fella I know, some years ago, was a staff member organizing required annual judicial ongoing 3 day education seminars at hotels around the state on different weekends. At one, a beautiful 19 year old blonde female directly approached him saying she's like to go to his room and have sex with him. His marriage on the rocks and her so beautiful, he agreed. A cute guy, but in his late 30s.

    He told me and really hoped something would come of it long term and was going to talk to her to try to make arrangements to see her, though his home a fair distance away.

    But when he did, she made it very clear she did not want to see him again because she wanted no relationship with anyone. So he asked her bluntly why she did this? She told him that she's had sex with a doctor, lawyer, city counsel member, professional football player, basketball player, baseball player and named off other categories of notable employment... but she's never had sex with a judge and he was the cutest judge there. Her reason? To add a judge to her list of professional men she's had sex with, some sort of fetish thing. He said he didn't have the heart to tell her he's not a judge.

    Near 20 year age difference. There was sex. So HE is the predator? I say neither of them were predators.
     
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    Which are established by law...you lose.
     
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    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Still can't understand the poll question, huh? The question of the poll is should such a law be established, not whether such a law exists now. Again, try reading.
     
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    Can anyone give any ethical or moral reason why a 31 year old single person should not ask an unmarried person age 17 out on a date? The only legality is - in some states - sex, not dating. In many states there is no legal issue at all.
     
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    As long as the youngest member of the tryst is over the legal age of consent, the age difference should be irrelevant.
     

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