The Capitalist System Is Decaying Because Of Its Own Contradictions

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  1. gamewell45

    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In other words, they don't keep junk or items they don't need. How many Americans can go into their closets or attics and point out all of the junk or unused items they keep? Truth of the matter is most Americans are very materialistic in nature and collect mostly crap just to have it. I'm speculating that the Danish live off of what they really need and are rather thrifty when it comes to ownership of materialistic items.
     
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    What then is the basis for the statement "faith is a prelude to force" ?? You have no faith in anything ??
     
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    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah, right ?? The Dannish gov provides everything the Dannish people need. Why would they want anything else ??
     
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    And so what. You people are throwing names at one another without even knowing their meaning.

    Capitalism is a market-economy mechanism that replaced barter. That's all.

    It is NOT a political theory ... and has nothing to do with "liberty".

    Cut the BS, will you ... !
     
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    It's from Ayn Rand's nonfiction book Philosophy: Who Needs It. Her reasoning is that if there is an argument or debate, and one side is relying on faith, it means that side can't prove its point. But if it believes or has faith that its point is correct, not by knowledge or reason or logic or facts, but believes it because of faith, and that makes that side right, that side will, by logical necessity, resort to force to prove its point.
    In other words, to quote the Beatles...Oh yeah,well fk U..."Bang! Bang! Maxwell's silver hammer came down upon her head"
    Ayn Rand: "“Faith” designates blind acceptance of a certain ideational content, acceptance induced by feeling in the absence of evidence or proof.
    "Faith and force . . . are corollaries: every period of history dominated by mysticism, was a period of statism, of dictatorship, of tyranny. ."--http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/faith.html
    Philosophy: Who Needs It--Faith and Force: The Destroyers of the Modern World by Ayn Rand--There are only two means by which men can deal with one another: guns or logic. Force or persuasion. Those who know that they cannot win by means of logic have always resorted to guns." --http://freedomkeys.com/faithandforce.htm
     
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    http://www.heritage.org/report/the-link-between-economic-freedom-and-human-rights

    Interesting reading for those unafraid of finding they are wrong.
     
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    There are some good things that come out of the Heritage, unfortunately, they are a conservative think tank and allow religion into their politics. A clear violation of the 2nd amendment Still I research them now and then, because as I said, they sometimes do some very good work.
     
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    This isn't one of their good works--a democracy is also a prelude to tyranny. It is not the vote that makes men free, and nor is it a democracy, it's a constitution that prohibits the government from violating the rights of man, and instead demands they bow to those rights and protect them with their lives. There is no one in government today willing to do that.
    Ayn Rand: "The American system is not a democracy. It is a constitutional republic. A democracy, if you attach meaning to terms, is a system of unlimited majority rule; the classic example is ancient Athens. And the symbol of it is the fate of Socrates, who was put to death legally, because the majority didn’t like what he was saying, although he had initiated no force and had violated no one’s rights."--http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/democracy.html
     
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    If they are happy with their current conditions, then who cares? Not every culture is the same as ours.
     
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    Who said that and where?

    Learn how to quote the person to whom you are referring.

    Only then can you participate effectively ...
     
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    Right, it's the constitution that comes first because people have no innate sense of freedom and liberty. They prove that every time they get into a voting booth.

    Yeah, when the cows jump over the mooooooooonnnnnn ....
     
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    Did Professor Wallerstein provide a definition of capitalism, as he understands it? We ought to know what it is we're discussing, right?
     
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    But one must have faith in their ability to analyze facts (all of them) and arrive at a rational and logical opinion. I've seen way too many examples of the party of goodness arriving at conclusions that are not supported by data but having faith that their opinion is correct and that anyone who disagrees is evil.
     
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    Best you had huh? The post stands on its own a more adept poster would have simply answered.
     
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    Are all of them happy ?? The immigration mess in Europe is the result of democratic socialism where the elites decide what is best for the people. The resulting high taxation rates and consequent high cost of living and high cost of children is responsible for the low birth rates and again the decision by the elites to bring in low skilled foreign workers who are not assimilating into the respective EU cultures. Brexit is an example of rebellion by voters to this.
     
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    The US Constitution is the best example in the world of freedom and liberty.
     
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    Being on USA welfare may work for Europe in the wake of their crushing defeats but we don't have that option, American Republicans are the last best hope for freedom on earth. We need everyone contributing to a huge economy, huge military, and huge entrepreneurship to stay ahead of civilization's world wide left wing enemies. So don't suggest in a million years we should be like Europe.
     
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    Any bets on whether LafayetteBis reads it?
     
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    or when China just switched to capitalism and instantly eliminated 40% of the entire planet's poverty that had literally been starving to death under socialism.
     
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    Interesting reference to Sen. He's certainly no free marketeer. An example of his position...

    "While a number of socialist critics, most notably Karl Marx, influentially made a case for censuring and ultimately supplanting capitalism, the huge limitations of relying entirely on the market economy and the profit motive were also clear enough even to Adam Smith. Indeed, early advocates of the use of markets, including Smith, did not take the pure market mechanism to be a freestanding performer of excellence, nor did they take the profit motive to be all that is needed"
     
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    If you're using faith to verify your reasoning analysis, you understand neither reason nor science. As an example, I have no faith in snow in January in Chicago, IL. I know there will be, all things being equal. Now, the polar jet stream could stay north up in Canada, but not this year. Watch and see and learn. Science, not faith. In other words, I know I have the ability to understand science, logic, and reason--after all, all it takes is a mind that thinks.
     
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    I'm sure you could find a handful of people who might say they are unhappy, however if the overall majority are happy, then it's no big deal.
     
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    Simple, the means of production are controlled by private enterprise. Or to put it simply: Capitalism is free men trading that which is theirs for that which they want. Verstehe?
     
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    What I suggest makes no difference in the big picture of things; what a majority of Americans think will make a difference in the big picture of things. And if it goes against what your beliefs are, then so be it; like everyone else you'll have to get used to it.
     

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