Still No Evidence of Collusion?

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  1. Cigar

    Cigar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What more evidence of collusion do you need?


    We know President Trump during the campaign publicly encouraged the Russians to hack and release Hillary Clinton’s emails. We know he referenced the WikiLeaks email dump 145 times in the closing days of the campaign. We also know that Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner and then-campaign chairman Paul Manafort met with Russians in June 2016 with the promise of “dirt” on Hillary Clinton, and we have learned that campaign adviser George Papadopoulos had extensive contacts with Russian officials that included discussion of “dirt” on Clinton. To say that there is no evidence of collusion, then, would be one more big lie in a series of big lies the administration has deployed to defend itself in the Russia investigation that threatens to sink this presidency. But in case all of that were not enough to constitute “collusion” (which is not a legal term), The Post reports:

    Trump’s eldest son exchanged private messages with WikiLeaks during the presidential campaign at the same time the website was publishing hacked emails from Democratic officials, according to correspondence made public Monday. Donald Trump Jr. did not respond to many of the notes, which were sent using the direct message feature on Twitter. But he alerted senior advisers on his father’s campaign, including his brother-in-law, Jared Kushner, according to two people familiar with the exchanges.

    In the messages, WikiLeaks urged Trump Jr. to promote its trove of hacked Democratic emails and suggested that President Trump challenge the election results if he did not win, among other ideas. They were first reported by the Atlantic and later posted by Trump Jr. on Twitter.


    Even more directly, Donald Trump Jr. was urged to have his father tweet a link to the leaked email:

    “Hey Donald, great to see you and your dad talking about our publications,” WikiLeaks wrote. “Strongly suggest your dad tweets this link if he mentions us.” The message included a link to search documents that had been hacked from Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta. Trump Jr. did not answer. Fifteen minutes later, his father tweeted to his millions of followers: “Very little pick-up by the dishonest media of incredible information provided by WikiLeaks. So dishonest! Rigged system!” Two days later, Trump Jr. tweeted the link to his followers, writing, “For those who have the time to read about all the corruption and hypocrisy all the @wikileaks emails are right here: http://wlsearch.tk/.


    Trump may claim that his son was acting foolishly on his own and that he tweeted without knowledge of his son’s communication with WikiLeaks. Even if you believe that, it can no longer be said that there was no behind-the-scenes coordination (i.e. collusion) between the top level of the Trump campaign and the most prominent Russian “cut-out,” WikiLeaks.

    So is this the proverbial smoking gun? “I wouldn’t say it’s the smoking gun on its own,” says Susan Hennessey of the Lawfare blog. However, she says that “in the broader context it’s yet another strand in [the] rope. Every single time these guys are offered dirty materials or illicit contacts their response is to say yes and push further.” She argues that it is “hard not to think that someone, somewhere crossed the line into criminality.”


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...collusion-do-you-need/?utm_term=.05308e10dee5


    The usual denials to follow ... :p
     
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    There will be an ever diminishing goalpost, far in the distance. And, BILL etc. They would forgive the devil himself, if he stopped the REAL DEVIL Hillary.
     
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    Yo Boy is Going Down
     
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    You do know that nothing in that list is illegal right? If it were then Trump or Trump Jr or Kushner would already be up on charges. So far the only people that have been charges are people that did stuff before they were ever a part of the Trump Campaign. I would like them to give us something concrete because the longer this goes the more it looks like a witch hunt. Perhaps instead of focusing on nonsense the Democrats could you know fight Trump on the issues. This is like the Democrats version of the Birther hoax.
     
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    Exchanging private emails with a site publishing sensitive, government information given by a foreign govt that hacked that information is not illegal? It’s called being a accessory to the crime.

    If Chelsea Clinton had done something like this on the Trumps that got her mother elected, boy you guys would be calling for her lynching at the stake.
     
  6. AmericanNationalist

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    None of this is proof of any collusion at all. The only way you could believe it to be so, is if you believe Wikileaks is a Russian Operation. Historically, it just doesn't fly. And at that, it still hadn't even been definitively proven. Why hasn't the Federal Government moved to shut down the domain, if infact it's an outlet for Russian propaganda?

    But by all means, I'd like for them to reference Wikileaks in the Court of Law. Let's see how far that actually gets them. Mueller's not an idiot.
     
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    Yet...still nothing other than left wing hysteria and narratives.
     
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    Are three tweets private emails? I dont tweet so I dont know the logistics of how it works.
     
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    Contact is contact regardless.

    The double standard here is plain to see, and it’s staggering.
     
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    The only truthful statement was that 'collusion' isn't even a political or a crime of stature. This has been, from the onset an entirely made up story by people who can't accept the Election Result. And it's actually miserably sad. These are the same people who if you remember were appalled that Trump would suggest that the election 'wasn't legitimate'. But that's what they've done all throughout 2017.
     
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    Oh, contact is illegal?
     
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    Because WikiLeaks isn’t solely a Russian propaganda site. The Federal Government should have shut WikiLeaks down when those Sony leaks happened, remember those?

    If Papadopoulos DID work with the Russian lawyer to get “dirt” on Clinton, then that meeting followed, then yes that is collusion. It’s putting the pieces together one by one.
     
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    I just couldn't stop laughing. :roflol::roflol: The "lynching at the stake" thing. It's like saying "death by firing chair".....Thanks.
     
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    Can’t tell if serious or a troll....

    Not just any contact is illegal. Don’t play stupid, you know what we are talking about here.
     
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    As ludicrous as it sounds, the people at Trumps rallies chanting, “Lock her up!” would be eager to see it happen.
     
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    No, the hysterics are hard to follow. Why don't you layout the illegality.
     
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    You mean, the very same meeting where the Trump team found no useful information and quickly left? About that. Mueller should be very careful with Papadopoulos, since it's very possible that he was a mole(in much the same manner as Carter Page used to be an FBI Informant during his time in Russia.) If Mueller's not careful, I would easily attack the credibility of any evidence submitted.

    In fact, it'd be real easy for Trump to say that any activity wasn't approved by him and he wasn't aware of it. And unless they could connect it, the only thing they'll end up having is their own little mole. Which doesn't make for a successful investigation given everything at their disposal. In fact, it'd be an epic fail.
     
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    I initially thought this story was bogus, until further revelations started coming out, and Mueller actually started getting somewhere. Like the accusation WikiLeaks is simply a Russian propaganda site doesn’t fly, the accusation this is simply a made up story by leftists doesn’t fly either.
     
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    Let's see who becomes a Senator and who's NOT! :p
     
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    Wikileaks denies your claims. But how can private e mails be unlawful? Why was so much dirt on Hilary in DNC files?
     
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    So I read those tweet he sent have you? I dont see him doing anything wrong. He clearly is not working with them his last tweet was "“What’s behind this Wednesday leak I keep reading about?”
     
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    Is Mueller leaking? Are you accusing his office of leaking?
     
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    1) there is no evidence of "collusion"
    2) even if there was evidence, collusion is not a crime

    Nothingburger.
     
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    Alred and the woman clearly are out to use political means to target Moore. She has a legal path. We call it filing a lawsuit.
     
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    It is like accusing Obama of kissing Putin and calling it a crime.
     

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