Still No Evidence of Collusion?

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  1. AmericanNationalist

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    Not just Leftists, but Anti-Trump conservatives. There are many people vested in the idea that this 'presidency' isn't legitimate and they had every intention of pursuing this to the end of the earth. Even as we know now that the Dossier was largely funded by the DNC!(The same DNC that was conveniently 'hacked' and didn't give the FBI the server. But that's a wholly separate part of the puzzle.)

    In fact, the intelligence community still refuses to confirm whether or not they used the Dossier to obtain the FISA warrants. FISA had previously rebuffed the Obama Administration on wiretapping the Trump campaign, what changed? It seems pretty obvious, but now we need to get their words on paper.
     
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    As you said, Mueller isn’t an idiot. Where is this idea the Trump team just gathered at Trump Tower, found nothing then quickly scattered come from? It would take a lot of work for this Russian lawyer to fly to Manhattan and set up this meeting with these top Trump operatives all on her own. It just doesn’t add up.

    What I’m curious about even more so than Papadopoulos (we know he’s cooperating with Mueller) is if Flynn is cooperating just as much behind closed doors. No one knew about George Papadopoulos until two months after his arrest. The Mueller team is very good at not necessarily crying wolf.
     
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    People who can use logic, reason, and possess critical thinking skills need to stop trying to convince trump apologists that he's a treasonous dotard who is unfit to be president. By still supporting trump at this point, they've said a lot about the emptiness, dishonesty, and lack of integrity in their characters. There could literally be a video with sound, confirmed by multiple sources showing trump directly conspiring with putin while cackling like an old time villain and trump apologists would simply cry fake news. They've created a bubble in which the only thing that matters is pissing off people. Never mind about the good of the country, if a piece of legislation makes sense, or if Americans are helped or hurt. 8 years of having to deal with a smart black guy has president madeimpotent If they haven't seen the man for the absolute failure of a human being he is by this point, they never will. We should be focusing on the 90 million or so people who stayed at home and didn't vote.
     
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    Then you completely failed to see the humor here. Perhaps had I suggested you investigate a football bat... oh never mind... :roflol:
     
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    democrats still haven't done a self autopsy. you guys are harping on wrong issues and circumstantial evidence. prepare to keep losing.
     
  6. Hoosier8

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    Uh, what does that have to do with collusion?
     
  7. AmericanNationalist

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    Well, it's been partly confirmed not only by the Trump Team but by the Russian Lawyer herself that she mainly spoke on the Magnitsky Act. I will admit to taking the Team's word for it, that there was no meaningful information given in the meeting. Furthermore, we learn that the Lawyer has more ties to Fusion GPS, then to Putin himself.(We also learned that the Obama Administration gave a special provision for her to remain in the US even though her visa had expired.)

    The idea that our intelligence community used its powers illegally to create dirt on a political person is not unfortunately farfetched but according to Senator Schumer: Very real. And that's very scary.
     
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    Not my boy, but your faux evidence will not bring him down.

    Common sense would tell you if trump was colluding with russia, he would have kept his mouth shut, and then accused hillary of colluding, you know, just like she did?

    Trump would not have told on himself, and this is part of your fake evidence. lol Which renders it once again as nonsense, and grasping for straws.

    Lawbreakers do not tell on themselves. lol But they might accuse another person of doing what they are doing, to misdirect as we saw with the hillary campaign. Their money actually probably made it to russian state actors, in exchange for dirt on trump. That looks more like collusion than anything trump's campaign did. Of course those russians had no problem with giving Steele lies in exchange for money. lol So steele was a middle man for hillary to get money to the russian. If trump had did this, you would be screaming bloody murder. lol
     
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    precisely. the real question is, did the fake dossier spark this extremely long and useless investigation.
     
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  10. Cigar

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    You do know Collusion isn't a Crime ... Money Laundering is
     
  11. AmericanNationalist

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    I believe so, if we follow the logic. The Obama Administration had previously been unable to get a FISA warrant into the Trump Campaign. Yet that changed. The only thing that could have logically changed it is the Dossier. I believe that both House and Senators are fully aware of that logical step. But that would incriminate the FBI(John McCain as well), among others. Which is why they'd like to keep their lips tightly shut on that.

    Because all of the charges proclaimed against the Trump Administration, would then be equally applied to the Obama Administration, Hillary's surrogates who paid for it, etc. But also, the American Taxpayer would be pissed if it was admitted "Yeah, this entire utter farce was of our own doing."

    There'd be even more of a major draining of the swamp. We might even see 3rd party candidates win in that scenario lol.
     
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    Nothing has been disproved in that "fake" dossier so we can safely ignore the above
     
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    Michael Cohen's so-called trip, for starters. I'm surprised Trump didn't sue yet for the golden showers laughter lol. That one was adorable. But the most laughable thing is that the Dossier relies on RUSSIAN sources. Even if we ignore who paid for it, why would you trust the Russians to out their own conspiracy?

    Are we supposed to believe there are renegade Russians against the Putin Regime?(Believable, actually. But that they'd talk to some private investigator?) I guess, if that's what they have going for them. But it's going to really be scrutinized in court. Even the author said it wasn't meant for public consumption.
     
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    To listen to the trump haters, the sore losers since Nov. one would get the idea that collusion was not only illegal, but treason, deserving death.

    In so far as money laundering, one got the idea under Obama that you just need to slap the hands. For some big bankers laundered drug cartel money, and were not tried and sent to prison for it. So, it must no longer be much of a crime? lol

    So, it looks to me like it just depends upon who launders the money. For you may be an elite who is just too big to jail. Reality is such a bit*ch sometimes, ain't it?

    So far, Mueller can only find Manafort committing crimes, long before he helped trump with the GOP convention. Which of course is generally how these SP operate. The reasons for the SP were purely political dirty tricks, but the SP needs to find some law breaking, even if in other areas, and having nothing to do with the original purpose. Most people are generally charged with lying to federal agents as Popacock was. When telling the truth would have taken no one down. lol

    But what is interesting, but not covered to any entent were the corresponding emails sent back to Popacock from people within the trump campaign that paints a different picture from the accusations of the trump hating crowd. Including Mannfort and an Admiral. But if it makes the trump campaign look good, of course you need to omit that, in the faux free press.
     
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    You do know Collusion isn't a Crime ... Money Laundering is

    There's a couple guys wearing ankle monitors who wish they go out a buy a Nothingburger, Large Fries and a Vanilla Shake.

    Maybe PaPa Johns can make a delivery for them.

    :p
     
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    Can you imagine The Outrage if The Black One did that? :mad:
     
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    As I said before, the bankers who laundered drug cartel money are not wearing anything but a smile for they were too big to jail. Holder said it would hurt economies if he tried them and jailed them. So, if you are a big banker, you don't have anything to worry about when you launder money. Unless of course, you are an enemy to one of the political parties. LOL But we know big bankers are an important part of the swamp in DC...and safe and sound. Which is new, for under Reagan, his justice dept filled up the prisons with such bastards. But, under our corporate state, Plutocracy, or Oligarchy, take your pick, we have a two tiered justice system, unlike what a republic has.

    And so, our justice systems serves as a way to get at the enemies of one or the other parties in the swamp. Trump began as their enemy, but was smart enough to flip flop, to yield to the swamp, but is it enough to protect him from that swamp? Only time will tell. But he better watch his step! As Schumer told us, our CIA can get him 6 ways from Sunday...and in essence told us what kind of system we actually have. But partisans must ignore this reality, or they could not continue in their silly partisanship, could they? lol
     
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    Focus Grasshopper ... Obama, Clintons, Holder are private citizens ... Republicans are in charge remember?
     
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    Sure and you would see the same deal coming from the right side, as we see coming from the Left. You can predict such things if you have a grasp of the reality of the big picture. And it makes one look very intelligent even if only one like myself is of average intelligence. For there is nothing like rocket science or quantum physics involved here. One just has to be of average intelligence, non partisan, and pay attention with some critical thinking skills. Partisanship as we can see on all forums, destroys living brain cells, or perhaps only encapsulates them? Partisanship is a very emotion driven paradigm. Or so it seems.
     
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    I did focus in, on history, which is pertinent today, given what I was pointing out. You seem to not see that we have one party, one snake, but it has two heads. A two headed snake. With neither having any intent to represent you, I, nor any other average american. And a MSM which helps to keep this status quo in place.

    All of this russian collusion crap is nothing but a misdirection, to feed the partisans, so they won't notice the reality they live in. It is theater, just like these public congressional hearings are theater. Gotta entertain the herd.

    But hey, since you called me grasshopper, this might mean we both are old enough to have seen Kung Fu, and Carradine, long ago! Or perhaps you just saw the reruns? No matter, I loved that show!
     
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    So you've completed Mueller's investigation for him and have all the facts, -more than he has, -and you can prove your point?
     
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    Why does all these Nothingburgers feel the need for Legal Representation?

    If there's nothing to hide ... who needs it?
     
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    Of course not. But this ruse was so obvious that it jumped out at you. Or it did me. I think that is because of my age, and the fact that I have paid close attention to politics and my gov't for a long, long time. It had that same stench to it as I have smelled many times prior. Plus, it was such a stretch in order to believe it, given our post 1984 National Security State. Privacy does not exist, and the NSA could have sourced any evidence of trump russian collusion, and illegalities by the time trump was sworn in. And yet we know what the heads of intel said about this accusation. They had nothing to do directly with Mueller being appointed, and what the NSA had saved on a monster computer, would have already sank trump if it existed. This would look very differently if the NSA had the evidence.

    I will not be one of the members here who leave once the investigation concludes, and come back under another name, to keep from others incessantly reminding that.." I told ya so". That is how certain I am of what this is. But I never develop amnesia, so that is a great aid in predicting. And yet, if I am proven to be wrong, by hard evidence I will be the first to admit that I was wrong. But that is not gonna happen. IMO, there is less than a one percent chance of me being wrong on this. For it has all the earmarks of a politically driven, and deep state, ruse. And they are so strong and evident that it formed my own position last year. And it has nothing to do with my intelligence, for I am only of average intelligence, but a greater intelligence is not needed here. One just has to understand what we live in, and to pay close attention, and not developing amnesia. Being non partisan also is of great value. And demanding to know the facts and the truth supported by those facts is of prime importance too. From what I can tell, not everyone here is in this camp.
     

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