A woman who gets an abortion is like an Indian giver

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  1. Renee

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    Educate yourself .. most abortions are performed in the first trimester.anout 90%...
    They have found that later abortions like the 4th month are usually teens who didn’t know they were pregnant and women who are victims of violence .
     
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    Why would I personify a ZEF?
     
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    Tough! And I find men who cannot get pregnant and who do not have the responsibility for 18 years trying to dictate and judge a woman, quite distasteful
     
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    I stood behind my husband when he got kicked in the balls by a horse so I know exactly what he experienced (tongue in cheek)
     
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    Breeding against one's will is rape! Think about it.
     
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    My wife carried him for 9 months and I supported him for 18 years. Did you keep your husbands balls on ice for 18 yrs?
     
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    Educate myself to your point of view?? I am educated on the selling of body parts by Planned parenthood.
     
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    Renee. I find men that do not stand behind their f^&*buddy and support both emotionally and financially their offspring to be lower forms of life!
     
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    The same way you went thru pregnancy and labor and childbirth
     
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    There’s too many of them....
     
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    No, I’m educated and know the difference, here let me educate you
    Breeding: the action or process of bearing or generating..
    that is not rape.!
    I will give you two examples. One of my students got pregnant and her mother forced her to carry the baby when she wanted an abortion. She was not raped but was forced to bear the child ,
    Women want an abortion because they do not want a child. The fetus did not come from rape, but people like you want to force the women to carry it to term,,,,,that is breeding against her will. Now you can look up the word rape.
     
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    Hi!

    I just LOVED this post so much I thought some here might like to read it again...it's great !
     
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    You did NOTHING compared to what your wife faced. (and what about your statement above that YOU supported your son for 18 years, did your wife leave you and was absent for raising that kid??? SHE didn't ALSO raise that kid?


    Here is what you want to ignore but facts and science don't "go away" :)


    Your total lack of knowledge of what pregnancy entails is evident...it is hardly a matter of "discomfort"....

    Normal, frequent or expectable temporary side effects of pregnancy:

    • exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks)
    • altered appetite and senses of taste and smell
    • nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester)
    • heartburn and indigestion
    • constipation
    • weight gain
    • dizziness and light-headedness
    • bloating, swelling, fluid retention
    • hemmorhoids
    • abdominal cramps
    • yeast infections
    • congested, bloody nose
    • acne and mild skin disorders
    • skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen)
    • mild to severe backache and strain
    • increased headaches
    • difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping
    • increased urination and incontinence
    • bleeding gums
    • pica
    • breast pain and discharge
    • swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint paininfection including from serious and potentially fatal disease
      (pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases)
    • extreme pain on delivery
    • hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression
    • continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section -- major surgery -- is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover)
    Normal, expectable, or frequent PERMANENT side effects of pregnancy:

    • stretch marks (worse in younger women)
    • loose skin
    • permanent weight gain or redistribution
    • abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness
    • pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life -- aka prolapsed utuerus, the malady sometimes badly fixed by the transvaginal mesh)
    • changes to breasts
    • increased foot size
    • varicose veins
    • scarring from episiotomy or c-section
    • other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty)
    • increased proclivity for hemmorhoids
    • loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis)
    • higher lifetime risk of developing Altzheimer's
    • newer research indicates microchimeric cells, other bi-directional exchanges of DNA, chromosomes, and other bodily material between fetus and mother (including with "unrelated" gestational surrogates)
    Occasional complications and side effects:

    • complications of episiotomy
    • spousal/partner abuse
    • hyperemesis gravidarum
    • temporary and permanent injury to back
    • severe scarring requiring later surgery
      (especially after additional pregnancies)
    • dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses -- 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele)
    • pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies)
    • eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)
    • gestational diabetes
    • placenta previa
    • anemia (which can be life-threatening)
    • thrombocytopenic purpura
    • severe cramping
    • embolism (blood clots)
    • medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby)
    • diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles
    • mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication)
    • serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)
    • hormonal imbalance
    • ectopic pregnancy (risk of death)
    • broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone")
    • hemorrhage and
    • numerous other complications of delivery
    • refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease
    • aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures)
    • severe post-partum depression and psychosis
    • research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors
    • research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy
    • research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease
    Less common (but serious) complications:

    • peripartum cardiomyopathy
    • cardiopulmonary arrest
    • magnesium toxicity
    • severe hypoxemia/acidosis
    • massive embolism
    • increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction
    • molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease
      (like a pregnancy-induced cancer)
    • malignant arrhythmia
    • circulatory collapse
    • placental abruption
    • obstetric fistula
    More permanent side effects:


    • future infertility
    • permanent disability
    • death.





    YOU never faced ANY OF THAT BUT WISH TO FORCE WOMEN TO ACCEPT IT
     
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    How Anti-Choicers refer to women:

    "" f^&*buddy ""





    NOW, someone , anyone explain how they have any respect for women ....ANYONE????????


    Anti's are NOT concerned with that "precious" fetus, they ARE concerned with punishing women who they OBVIOUSLY have NO respect for...
     
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    I support abortion. Women who don't want to become pregnant, shouldn't become pregnant. If they do become pregnant, having an abortion is good for them and the nation. In fact, it'd be great if those too stupid to use birth control didn't have kids.
     
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    But I suffered many painful wounds and my body is wracked with scars from the occupation I took to provide for my family. I guess we are all victims if you want to be painted as such. I never until now thought of it that way, but victimization is the strategy of the left in America. It is used to divide races, male and female. It is promoted and the victims all rally to the Democrat Party. I view women with a great sense of Honor. I do not see them as victims in anyway. In my hometown I grew up seeing a famous statue that is located in various parts across America. It is the "Madonna of the Trail". It is a pioneer women carrying a baby with children tugging at her dress. I often admired her and the hardships she must have endured along with the contributions she made to our great country. I do not in any way view her as a victim.
     
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    You are "educated"..... in many circles of America that means indoctrinated. It is the battle cry of the" elite". "I am educated" really doesn't mean a thing. I will put my book reading and learning up against at least 80% of those that make such a claim.
    In your examples I would like to know, was the girl whose parents "forced" her to give life to her child, "forced" into intercourse with her unmarried irresponsible partner? Is it irresponsibility you wish to promote by taking an innocent life and providing an easy out for those that exercise recreational sex before procuring a responsible partner?
     
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    Renee, I could provide you with all types of information and life experience that supports my point of view. Tell me honestly, would that change your view? I don't think so. I find it a better effort to try and influence the human heart. Sometimes that is an impossible task, but I will keep trying.
     
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    Breeding begins with the initial act. Would you address that please? Is the act sacred, something to be performed as an act of real, educated love...or is it something to be thrown around thoughtlessly like two pigs in a corral?
     
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    Could you show me the law that says women are obligated to use birth control ?

    No, women who don't want to use birth control are not stupid, they may not want drugs or foreign objects in their bodies.

    Are YOU forced to use drugs or put foreign objects in YOUR body? Does that make YOU stupid?


    Why does having kids make a woman smart?



    Ya, I know you won't answer the questions nor even think about them because it's so much easier being misogynistic...
     
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    NO, you have NOT suffered from pregnancy and your avoidance of what it means doesn't make it disappear.

    Normal, frequent or expectable temporary side effects of pregnancy:

    • exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks)
    • altered appetite and senses of taste and smell
    • nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester)
    • heartburn and indigestion
    • constipation
    • weight gain
    • dizziness and light-headedness
    • bloating, swelling, fluid retention
    • hemmorhoids
    • abdominal cramps
    • yeast infections
    • congested, bloody nose
    • acne and mild skin disorders
    • skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen)
    • mild to severe backache and strain
    • increased headaches
    • difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping
    • increased urination and incontinence
    • bleeding gums
    • pica
    • breast pain and discharge
    • swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint paininfection including from serious and potentially fatal disease
      (pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases)
    • extreme pain on delivery
    • hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression
    • continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section -- major surgery -- is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover)
    Normal, expectable, or frequent PERMANENT side effects of pregnancy:

    • stretch marks (worse in younger women)
    • loose skin
    • permanent weight gain or redistribution
    • abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness
    • pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life -- aka prolapsed utuerus, the malady sometimes badly fixed by the transvaginal mesh)
    • changes to breasts
    • increased foot size
    • varicose veins
    • scarring from episiotomy or c-section
    • other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty)
    • increased proclivity for hemmorhoids
    • loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis)
    • higher lifetime risk of developing Altzheimer's
    • newer research indicates microchimeric cells, other bi-directional exchanges of DNA, chromosomes, and other bodily material between fetus and mother (including with "unrelated" gestational surrogates)
    Occasional complications and side effects:

    • complications of episiotomy
    • spousal/partner abuse
    • hyperemesis gravidarum
    • temporary and permanent injury to back
    • severe scarring requiring later surgery
      (especially after additional pregnancies)
    • dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses -- 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele)
    • pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies)
    • eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)
    • gestational diabetes
    • placenta previa
    • anemia (which can be life-threatening)
    • thrombocytopenic purpura
    • severe cramping
    • embolism (blood clots)
    • medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby)
    • diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles
    • mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication)
    • serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)
    • hormonal imbalance
    • ectopic pregnancy (risk of death)
    • broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone")
    • hemorrhage and
    • numerous other complications of delivery
    • refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease
    • aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures)
    • severe post-partum depression and psychosis
    • research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors
    • research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy
    • research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease
    Less common (but serious) complications:

    • peripartum cardiomyopathy
    • cardiopulmonary arrest
    • magnesium toxicity
    • severe hypoxemia/acidosis
    • massive embolism
    • increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction
    • molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease
      (like a pregnancy-induced cancer)
    • malignant arrhythmia
    • circulatory collapse
    • placental abruption
    • obstetric fistula
    More permanent side effects:


    • future infertility
    • permanent disability
    • death.
     
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    OH YA! RIGHT!
    Sure you honor women as you refer to them as :

    """"I find men that do not stand behind their f^&*buddy and support both emotionally and financially their offspring to be lower forms of life!"""""


    Uh, you gave yourself away with that misogynistic slur.......
     
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    No such law. No licence to have kids either. There are laws requiring my taxes to pay for such people and, like supporting abortion, I support repealing those laws.

    Women who don't want to use birth control, have sex then wonder why they keep needing abortions are stupid. Yes, the men they are ****ing are idiots too.

    No. I don't engage in activities that could impair me without protection. If a person doesn't want to contract an STD, they should either use protection or abstain. Same goes for pregnancy. It isn't' rocket science.

    It doesn't, but having unwanted kids or frequently having unwanted pregnancies indicates a lack of intelligence. Again, while education is useful, this isn't rocket science.

    You know I won't answer the question? Wow, I guess you won't ever apologize for being wrong. I'm not a misogynist, but you certainly have all the traits of someone spring-loaded to hate those who don't agree with you 100%.
     
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    Of course you do because those laws aid children.



    WHO and WHERE are these women you want to insist are stupid?

    I think people who put drugs and foreign objects in their bodies without a thought to consequences are stupid



    Does NOT answer my question : Are YOU forced to use drugs or put foreign objects in YOUR body? Does that make YOU stupid?
    And, BTW, I have the history of the world to back up my claim that ignorantly preaching abstaining from sex doesn't work with humans but if you want to wishing for human nature to change go right ahead...




    Yes, a misogynist thinks that no matter what women do, if they don't do what the misogynist thinks they should do they're stupid and/or immoral....
     
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