Donald Trump retweets far-right group's anti-Muslim videos

There is nothing fake in the videos and Britain First didn't first publish them.

 

So the posters who have insisted Britain First was the first source were wrong?

 

That is true. You will find that many of the hate Muslim groups also hate Jews though they may be more quiet about that. A look at a radio station she uses may enlighten.

Most of them also are currently strong supporters of Israel.

You are also right in that generally speaking people who are racist are just racist. It does not matter who it is. It is far more socially acceptable at the moment to be that towards Muslims than Jews but at the bottom anti-Semitism is usually there.

You can see this sort of thing in Richard Spencer who as a White Nationalist is obviously antisemetic and a racist but who admires Israel and told Israelis he considers himself a White Zionist.

 

The source of the video is not from a fascist source.
The claim the guy who attacked is a muslim comes from a far right wing source.

 

Is Spencer a neo-Nazi? Did Spencer first publish the videos?

 

Can you identify the first source for the videos?

 

Like I said, some people you cannot debate with. Spencer someone you support?

 

I have not bothered to follow Spencer. I know little about him. Hence my question - is he a neo-Nazi?

 

Everything is Fascist, Racist, Neo Nazi, Far Right, Extreme Far Right, etc. these days and all with little or no evidence. Just the accusation is expected to be sufficient.

So what to call Muslim terrorists? Are they Far Fight, Neo Nazi,etc.? Or does just calling them Muslim cover all those adjectives?

 

It is Muslims who are commiting terrorist acts in Britain and around the world. Trump is correct that this is where Britains focus, and that of all democracies, should be.

 

Yes. It's from a site called dumpert.nl. It's a Dutch version of 9gag.
You can spot a lil green crown in the upper corner. It's their watermark on all vids that anybody posts.

Also...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...uslim-migrant-beating-boy-crutches-DUTCH.html
where a Dutch newspaper says its fake.

 

Everyone's favourite Muslim mayor:

https://twitter.com/SadiqKhan/status/936172776637026304

Sadiq Kahn's a Muslim, and he suspects Trump is wary about his kind.

 

I can understand how you reject another religion. Three hundred years ago you'd be screaming about catholics and their idolatry.

 

its pure propaganda. Ever seen those little movies about jew made in germany?

Why not endorse the president's doing EXACTLY what the AQ boys wanted. Who knew that the kind of bigot that ISIS claims the entire west consiste of can be found in POTUS\s office.

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No it is my opinion based on HIS words. learn the diff between rhetoric, opinion. And perhaps you should also review what constitutes a lie.

 

More than likely.

If a popular belief is also held by a cranky, it's detractors will seek to associate it with the cranky and not it's popularity.
Propaganda, famously deals in half truths.

Britain First is a scapegoat for the pro EU lobby who sought to associate anti EU membership with racism.
It was their preferred method to shout down any debate on the issue for decades.

Famously a guy who shot dead a pro EU politician in the street was reported to have mentioned the words Britain first.
Politicians not putting Britain first being a major complaint amongst the populace in that debate. And words spoken by basically over half the country routinely at that time.

I have no idea who "Britain First" are, but I expect they aren't as hard core racists as the EU campaigners in our country would have us believe.

 

No, I am calling a neo nazi racist scum exactly that.

I am not discussing the multitude of crimes being carried out by millions of muslims, nor am I discussing the multitude of crime being carried out by millions of christians.

Who really cares? How about your fellow american citizens? Oh wait, I get it, if they aint' white and christian who cares? Oh wait, it seems the UK government cares, the dutch government cares, and even lots of republicans care.

I have no problem with criticizing muslims. But it seems you think it entirely appropriate to lie and misrepresent as long as it accomplishes that criticism.

I find it horribly sad but completely understandable that you and other of you ilk feel that by excoriating Twitler for his truly idiotic tweeting racist crap and his validation of neo nazi racist scum by doing so, what I am really doing is somehow defending Islam.

Seems perversion of ones' religious ideology isn't confined to arabs or muslims.

 

Britain is a democracy?

Opinions differ.

 

Not the issue. The issue is Trump's behavior and mental state.

HIS totally insane for a leader of a nation to engage in tweeting and re tweeting INFLAMMATORY content ......as the consequences could be dangerous . It is self destructive conduct and not appropriate for a POUTS

there are standards of conduct for a leader of a nation........as they reflect on the nation itself. Each time he tweets something stupid......it reflects on the american population itself.......his supporters in particular.He is not only self destructive.....he is sadistic in how he treats his staff and anyone he decides to target for the week. (with his vile words and tweets ) sadly he is extremely mean spirited.

 

And that is pretty much the exact opposite of the impression I get from the man.
Making, in my eyes at least, you the tarnisher of your nations reputation and not he.

America is a religiously cranky country. Like Muslim fundamentalist, only Christian fundamentalist.
That is it's reality.

Trump recognises this and plays to that audience.

This aspect of the American psyche sits uncomfortably with religiously moderate/tolerant cultures like Britain's. Sits uncomfortably with me.
But no biggie.
Plenty more fundamentalist societies out there. It takes all sorts to make a world,

So it's not a diplomatic breakdown at all. It's just leaders playing to their home audiences sensibilities.

 

OK....... but the question his conduct also raises is : as he is NOW the PRESIDENT. of ALL the US.........should he not be "playing" to all AMERICANS regardless of who supported him or not. His words and deeds should reflect ALL Americans goals, wishes, and dynamics for the country. His base is just a segment of the entire population. the problem is that it is not just his base that reads his nasty tweets. He publishes his own personality when he tweets his inflammatory content.

How does this behavior help Trump on the world stage?? He does not need to lower himself and the country to nasty gutter level verbiage in order to get the job done. He should also stay focused on the job at hand......instead of playing childish games.

He so craves to be respected.......and yet behaves in a way that makes respecting him impossible.

 

He can't play to all Americans because Americans don't all agree with each other.

And in fact, people like to be different. So you can never please them all.

What you mean is shouldn't he be trying to please you, and the answer is "no".
When someone has it in for you, trying to please them is a mistake.

Nothing he says or does will please those people who choose to dislike him. It will just make them dislike him more, because that is their mentality.
Those people, you are wise to ridicule and ignore.

Just as people hated Obama blindly, others will hate Trump blindly.
That is the norm.
No need to take such people's specific assertions seriously at all. If it's not one thing it will be another.
Obama is a foriegn muslim. Reagun sleeps with monkey's and has alzheimers.
Blah blah blah.

 

What passes for the progressive left these days wouldn't recognize a fascist or national socialist if they were staring at one in the mirror while they shaved.

Islamism embraces the concept of a powerful state structure under especially enlightened leaders - very compatible with fascism/national socialism.

 

So who would be most likely to offer up staged minor Muslim violence when there is so much video of real deadly Muslim violence?
An enemy of Islam?

Why not use these well documented atrocities:

ISIS Beheadings

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/16/...deo-beheadings-of-21-egyptian-christians.html

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/02/world/meast/isis-american-journalist-sotloff/index.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-terror-group-increasingly-use-boys-kill.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISIL_beheading_incidents

ISIS Throwing Gays off Buildings

http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/03/05/dnt-damon-isis-gay-executions.cnn

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/isis-militants-throw-gay-man-building-death-article-1.2041416

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/isis-persecution-gay-men-murder-lgbt-muslim-society/

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/i...ay-men-buildings-stones-them-analysts-n305171

 

So where did you get this authoritive piece of information. My research shows he was betrothed (promised, engaged) to a 9 year old, who then was kept by his family until she reached puberty. The marriage was then consummated. This was the custom of the day and not just among Muslims. Actually it is a major sin to have sexual relations with a prepubescent in Islam, unlike Judaism and Christianity.

 

I used to think as you do, and sometimes I still do. But here's the problem: there are limits to where our powers of reasoning can take us. We're not intelligent enough to know or understand he origins of the cosmos or to explain the universal consensus that there is a prevailing moral order. Right is right and wrong is wrong. How can this be?

People should not torture animals or steal from the poor or neglect their babies. Even if a child is handicapped and can never contribute anything to society, we all deem it as deserving of dignity and comfort. Why is this?

The early church patriarchs, I imagine from every religion, struggled with metaphysical questions and were inspired to write down laws of moral behavior. Were they insane? I don't think so. Were they motivated by a desire for political power? Maybe, but this doesn't explain the martyrs, the hermits, the ascetics, the monks and nuns who worked for less than nothing in the service of the poor.

I can't see what they see, but I believe that they see something and that it is good. I am frankly jealous of them.