These Military Vets Have Found A Smarter Way To Fight The War On Terror

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  1. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    The ANSWER to your question is right there in the OP that you failed to read!
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Stop trolling me or I'll be making an official complaint.

    Incidentally did you ever watch Bitter Lake? If you had you'd realise this global jihad has been on the cards from the 7th century when Wahabbists ruled the Islamic roost, so now they've started they're certainly not going to stop whatever some western talking heads say the west should do.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Point out that you haven't read the OP is not "trolling".

    Here is the ANSWER to the question that you asked DIRECTLY from the content of the OP!

     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But it gives all the well-meaning theories but doesn't lay out how it can be achieved - the modus operandi, in other words. Theorum is a very different beast to practicality.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    The OP describes the exact modus operandi that WILL achieve that objective IN PRACTICE.
     
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    Yes, the OP does lay it out. It appears you didn't read it.

    By giving people an alternative to the gang (terrorist) life, they've PROVEN that these new lifestyles and investments eliminate the desperation to join terrorist recruiters. If you read the OP, after investing and salvaging these crops, terrorist recruiters showed up to the village and the once desperate and broken village, turned away the terrorists and called in the military.

    The easiest recruits for terrorism are the most poor and uneducated people that can be found in tribal regions.

    The OP, which you did not read, shows how to eliminate this factor.
     
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    Most of this is "duh", its a no brainer and has been known for centuries. It was the motivation for "Bomber" Harris concept of strategic bombing in WW2, the "winning hearts and minds" during Vietnam, the foundation of most of the activity during the Cold War, and the hearts and minds of the recent Iraq and Afghanistan venture.

    But in the case of Iraq and Afghanistan and ISIS and all their cohorts, there is an overriding cultural problem - religion. Your post assumes a totally secular materialistic view. These peoples fundamental motivation is religion, not money or food or health care. Many of them live in essentially a pre-industrial world, many of them are willing to die for their religion.

    To these people, "allah" trumps food and bullets and a school.

    Until you realize the religious aspect, you will lose.
     
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    I know one thing, AS - I wish that I were as naive as you and D_T - oh and the authors of the article which I didn't read. These psychos mean business, and they laugh at our dumb western belief we can halt their agenda by propitiating them, or de-radicalizing them. For one thing the very reason that the 'most poor and uneducated people are easily recruited' is because it gives them a purpose in their pathetic lives, plus the fact they're brainwashed into believing that paradise and virgins are waiting for them at the end of their terrorist careers, and that the sooner they die for the cause the sooner they arrive. We can't beat an enemy which wants to be effing killed in action, FFS - do you not get that, either of you? Or do you seriously believe that if we enrich them with loadsa money, and send them to college/university to be educated, they'll come round to our way of thinking? Well if you believe that they would, then you're even more naive than I thought. You, D_T, the authors of the article, and the vast majority of our leaders, and talking heads are making the fatal mistake of thinking that 'they're the same as us under the skin'. Well they're most certainly not, and you'd better believe it!
     
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    Your grasp of the problem is faulty.

    Those with nothing have nothing to lose and if religion can be perverted to convince them that they will gain something by dying for that religion then they can be duped into doing so.

    But those who DO have something to lose are much harder to dupe with dubious religious con games.

    By improving the quality of life of those who make easy recruits you emasculate the power of the religious disinformation.
     
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    Ironic that you fallaciously accuse others of being naive while you spout your own naivety based upon a profound, self imposed, lack of subject matter knowledge.

    Whose sons were fighting and dying in Vietnam? The heirs to wealth or those from the inner cities?

    When the British waged war for their empire who was doing the fighting and dying? Those who had wealth and titles or those who were the workers?

    Why is religion losing it's grip over the people in nations where the standard of living has risen while it is gaining power over people in nations were the standard of living is abysmal?

    The OP is about raising the standard of living for those most likely to become recruits for ISIS. That removes them the desperation of poverty and gives them the opportunity to have a choice about whether it is worth throwing their lives away, which now have meaning and comfort, on some imaginary theist snake oil promise.

    Yes, we are all identical under the skin but some of us prefer to make use of what is between our ears rather than just emote our bigotry instead.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Right I've had enough of your irritating, self-justifying, and 'having the last word' spamming, and all the wild accusations because I've caused you to reflect upon your own IQ, so you're now on my ignore list.
     
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    :roflol:

    Ironic after doing everything you accuse others of doing yourself you throw a hissyfit in order to justify not having to deal with the facts.

    FTR being on ignore won't stop me pointing out your fallacies.
     
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    If you've been to Afghanistan or Iraq, you know one thing. The lack of real education and the extreme poverty breeds terrorism. Not religion.

    Religion is the terrorist recruiters' excuse. It's brainwashing not in the name of religion, but power.

    It's a sad place and they need a lifestyle change as to not resort to terrorism just to feed their family.
     
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    That's exactly the self-centered view that is the problem. You think that your culture applies to everyone in the world, it does not. Your secular materialistic world view does not even apply to everyone in the USA, and it absolutely does not apply to many other parts of the world.

    You think you are going to go into a culture that is vastly different than yours, and from your conceited perch looking down your nose at these people, you will upend their world and impose your own. You will fail.

    In Iraq, Afghanistan, and other parts of the mid-East (which you clearly have never been to), they live in a theocracy with monarchical overtones. Religion forms the basis for their world view, religion forms the fundamental structure of their govt and social structures. They do not live in a constitutional republic or a democracy, they do not see the world through secular eyes, and they absolutely do not see their religion as a "dubious con game"
     
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    I agree with you that it goes beyond religion. However, analysis into the characteristics of terrorists suggest that education/poverty isn't the cause (e.g. in Palestine it is the most educated that are likely to participate and the non-educated are more likely to say terrorism is inappropriate)
     
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    You have no idea what they want because you're not one of them; your mind doesn't work the same as theirs: so just butt the **** out. and stop with the breath-taking arrogance of believing you know what's best for everyone else on the planet because as sure as hell, you don't!
     
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    Your puerile ad homs negated your baseless allegations.

    We all have a shared humanity and religion is a CHOICE!

    The vast majority of Muslims are no more religious than the vast majority of Christians.

    That you fallaciously smear all Muslims with the crimes of terrorists exposes the shallowness of your subject matter knowledge.
     
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    ArmySoldier has way more experience than you do when it comes to this topic.
     
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    <Mod Edit- Rule 2> Go spend some time overseas, get some real world experience. But I will warn you, if you go over there with your attitude you are likely to lose your head.
     
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    I have plenty of overseas experience and it is your arrogant attitude that would have gotten me into trouble.
     
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    Which is why ISIS and other groups have been known to go into villages, and kill anybody who does not join them. In Syria and Iraq they have destroyed entire villages for the reason of instilling terror to get new recruits.

    Hence in the past several years the large amounts of men fleeing the war zones. They can not fight back against ISIS, and also do not want to join them either.

    You are only looking at one tiny sliver of a much larger issue. Because unless you have security first, you can not keep such individuals away.
     
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    People reject terror by moving away from it which makes that ISIS strategy self defeating. It also makes ISIS vulnerable because now they have a larger area to defend with even fewer resources in terms of people and food.

    Looked at in the larger context ISIS doing themselves more harm than good.
     
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    I don't believe for one second that you have any time in the mid-East, nor any time in a muslim country. Not a chance. You have a totally secular Eurocentric attitude, and no understanding that there are other people and cultures in the world. You don't even recognize there are a variety of cultures in the USA.
     
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    You are entitled to your utterly erroneous opinion but not your own utterly erroneous factoids.
     
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    All of your posts show obvious ignorance and inexperience in this subject.
     
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