Standards lowered to produce first female Green Beret.....

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  1. MMC

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    This is unreal.....they lowered the Standards for the Q course. All to get the First female Green Beret. If this is true.....then Command needs to be questioned and any lowering that standard should be dismissed as a trainer. What say ye?



    Green Beret Trainer Faults ‘Careerism’ Among Senior Officers for Weakening Special Ops
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    An Army Green Beret officer has issued a public but anonymous rebuke of senior leaders for weakening America's special forces by lowering training standards due to careerism and push to integrate women into the elite force.

    "Our regiment has a cancer, and it is destroying the [Special Forces] legacy, its capability, and its credibility," the officer wrote anonymously in an email widely circulated within the U.S. Special Operations Command.

    The officer is based at the Army Special Warfare Center and School at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, and the email accuses leaders of "moral cowardice" by lowering training standards and weakening the capabilities of special operations commandos.

    The email touched off a debate among current and former Special Operations troops.

    "They have doggedly succeeded in two things; furthering their careers, and ensuring that Special Forces is more prolific, but dangerously less capable than ever before," the officer said. "Shameless and immodest careerism has, in no uncertain terms, effectively destroyed our ability to assess, train, and prepare students, or to identify those students that pose very real risk to operational detachments."

    The officer, one of the Green Beret trainers, also accused the Army of lowering standards to pave the way for the first female Green Beret.

    Instead current leaders want to lower training standards "enough to ensure that any woman attempting this path will have absolutely no issue achieving it."....snip~

    http://freebeacon.com/national-secu...-among-senior-officers-weakening-special-ops/
     
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    So one guy has an opinion.....so?
     
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    So and that opinion is not disputed being a trainer and when he is speaking of a universal truth.

    Which is, that if women yearn to join the force, they should meet the same standards achieved by those men they wish to serve with. This is not even in question.
     
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    Who says they are not except him. He won't even go on the record. I need more than that to believe him
     
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    He is on the record.....with SOFREP. What military experience do you have, again?

    Moreover they did the same thing with Ranger training and getting women thru the course by lowering standards they said they wouldn't lower.
     
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    He is not on the record here. It's anonymous. I hear no rebuttal. You are hearing one side.

    And I will stack my dd214 against yours anyday
     
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    SOFREP will publish Anonymous Letters that are verified. This one was due to going thru SOCOM.

    I doubt it can measure it up....You aren't SF nor a Ranger. So your DD214 don't mean **** in trying to stack up.

    You couldn't even compete on your best day. Nor in action.
     
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    You were a ranger? What unit?
     
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    The soldier writing the rebuke is obviously part of the SF training cadre.

    https://americanmilitarynews.com/20...fter-instructor-calls-out-lowering-standards/

    He called out the leadership by name:

    “SWCS has devolved into a cesspool of toxic, exploitive, biased and self-serving senior Officers who are bolstered by submissive, sycophantic, and just-as-culpable enlisted leaders,” the instructor wrote in the email. “They have doggedly succeeded in two things; furthering their careers, and ensuring that Special Forces more prolific, but dangerously less capable than ever before.”

    The instructor added that the weakening standards have been set in motion by senior leadership such as, “MG Linder and COL Lock, and actualized by MG Sonntag, CSM Arrowsmith, COL Kornburger, and CSM Berkibile,” the email said.

    SWCS Commander Maj. Gen. Kurt Sonntag defended the training standards and rejected a number of the instructor’s points noted in the email, but he said that some points need to be further evaluated through “formal inquiries and a number of existing institutional forums.”

    Sonntag argued that no training standards have been adjusted or removed despite the growing want for more Special Forces soldiers since the Sept. 11 terror attacks.

    “Let me be clear, I would be proud to serve with each and every one of our Special Forces Qualification Course graduates, and I stand behind the quality of every soldier we are sending to the operational force,” Sonntag wrote.

    According to the Special Forces instructor who wrote the email, one of the underlying issues is that the “career-focused” leaders are removed from “team life” and do not care about having subpar soldiers in a “no-fail” environment.”

    When one of the cadre brought up their concerns, the email said that CSM David Gibb’s response was: “‘We push some of these issues forward [to the Regiment] because we believe that the Groups can succeed in fixing those problem graduates when they arrive. That is an amount of risk we willingly accept, because after all it’s much easier to get a tab removed at Group if he doesn’t pan out, than to risk relieving what’s basically a fully qualified student who might have been able to fix himself and become a solid Green Beret.'”

    Just because you have a DD 214, does not mean you have a clue about what's going in the SF community. I'd guess you were just in supply or driving a truck.
     
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    I started with the 173rd and then went 75th(H75) then HHC Det 10 of the First Cavalry. 2 and half tours. NAM. You would know us as LRRPs.
     
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    No training standards have been adjusted. Got it. Loud and clear. Lol
     
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    Kornburger also pointed out he wanted a 92 % pass rate. There was never a mandated pass rate when I served.
     
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    I doubt Vegas knows what LRRP means without a Google search.
     
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    I'm a noob. Can you please teach me mr delta force? Lol
     
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    You don't got anything loud and clear....tell us when there was no physical training in the SFOC between the months of June and Aug.
     
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    I see a claim....I'm sure the evidence is coming. Lol
     
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    Go complain to your Den mother....
     
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    Get em ranger. Lol
     
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    I'm waiting......when was there never any physical training in the SFOC Between the months of June and Aug.

    Oh and just when wasn't the Language Phase not required for graduation.
     
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    I still claims. Things have changed in the last 45 years. But again.....lets see the evidence
     
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    He had to learn what a DD214 was. He has no combat experience and knows nothing about SF or the Rangers. Except what he reads.
     
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    Your behavior and actions on this forum screams Remf.

    You are not even the master of your own emotions.
     
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    Does anyone know how old this dude is? I say Batboy takes him to the worm pit.
     
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    You said you read his report. So you should have known that it was sent thru SOCOM. He is a Fort Brag instructor so he would know.

    Yeah whats changed is, command going all PC like just to get a woman to become a Green Beret. Lowering standards and taking out requirements for graduation.
     
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    Young.....very young, oh and he only took up the argument due to the complaint about Command with women being put thru the training.

    He is an alt leftist.....aka illiberal.
     

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