declining standard of living in Australia

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  1. Sallyally

    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yep. A great proportion of Aust isn't habitable, and land either marginal or unproductive. Cities populations increase putting pressure on existing systems and structures.
     
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    Very few on this board are socialists. But sure, there's a limit to the number of people that can be crammed into one city. Unless you want to live in Calcutta.
     
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    There comes a point when we have to define communism as the totalitarian society produced by every Marxist revolution of note. While none saw the State wither away as Marx (rather preposterously) forecast, they were still Marxist at their core. It's fair to call them communist.

    What else can you point to as examples of true communism, the Paris Commune? 2nd century Christians? Catholic monasteries? Hippie communes? Seems to me that the only ones in the West that have endured and not degenerated into cesspools of mass murder and corruption are those organized under the auspices of the catholic church.
     
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    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Australians has been sold out by their Federal gov't.
    The solution is to dissolve the Federal Union and allow the 6 States to go their independent ways.
    Several of the 6 may chose to form a new union while others may go independent.
    With such diversity it is less likely Australians would pay more for natural gas produced in Australia than the Japanese they sell it to.

    The Sydney government is not representing the welfare of the people of Australia.
    They are more focused on making Australia globally relevant and profitable for a few.
    Dissolve the Australian federation. Restore economic dignity to working people.


    Moi :oldman:

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    regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.
     
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    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    I can see the advantages of this, but several of the states don't have a lot of political muscle. It may be hard to survive in the mean hard world if you are short on stuff to trade or a workforce which is cheaper to run than Pakistan or China.
     
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    Which weaklings do you have in mind?
     
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    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    Tasmania, Victoria and Northern Territory.
     
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    Then let them form a federation with a few other States/Territories.
    I would suggest avoiding New South Wales, the cause of the economic decline for people.
    Tasmania might do better federated with Victoria.
    Likewise the Northern Territory with Western Australia.
    And if no one wants them, maybe apply to Britain for colony status.


    New South Wales needs to be dethroned similar to "the Swamp" in D.C. and Ottawa.
    A sad state of affairs for English speaking peoples to be so abused as today.
     
  9. Sallyally

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    Many people think that NSW is over represented in our national voice and not just because our Parliament in Australian Capital Territory (Canberra), is within NSW.
    Western Australia would probably be quite happy to secede from the Federation.
    I don't know about Queensland.
    I don't think England wants us any more despite Boris feverishly courting new trading partners.
     
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    Oh I see. I was on another track completely, sorry about that. To a degree I could agree with the failure to address the economic pressures immigration brings to the nation and the clear and complete lack integrity of all in this areas. However, again declining standard of living... No,

    Since what you are discussing is the distribution of wealth through various means such as welfare and market forces we also have to understand the media propensity to use the most shocking stories to spark reader or view sentiment to buy their particular brand. Take one news article on 9 sometime ago pointing to the average cost of housing in particular suburbs and how investment buying is still worthwhile in others. ALL estates on the north shore of Sydney easily the most expensive on Australia and how first home buyers are struggling to buy.

    While you allude to markets settling in capital cities, if they cannot get workers they will move to where they are. costs depict where they are and lack of workforce is a major cost. 457 visa's given out by the government corrupt that move. There is many aspects to this and while you are right and wrong in the premise to these points I am not really sure you want to deeply discuss it...
     
  11. Moi621

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    How about the declining standard of living
    similar to the increasing number of serotypes babies & toddlers are exposed
    parallels the incidence of autism. It's the serotype# and pediatric variant of Guallain Barre

    is parallel to the Australian liberalization of immigration
    and that effects working people.



    Sometimes the evidence is staring you in the face and one is instructed
    to just ignore it.

    Go figure.
    Moi has.
     
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  12. Sallyally

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    What?
     
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    autism has nothing to do with vaccinations.

    and it's "Guillain Barre Syndrome"

    the rest of your post was inexplicable :)
     
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    Try again.

    The decline of standard of living parallels the liberalization of immigration.
    Could they be related? Do tell.
    Moi sez "Yes!".

    Too often parallels are conveniently written off. Si? ;)


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    I don't see any decline in standard of living. I do see lots of spoilt brats whining about 'affordable housing', however. You know, those who expect to live in expensive capital cities, in prime locations, without having to pay for it.
     
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    That's different.
    Never mind.
    ;)
     
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    Australia is in a precarious position with regard to the cost of living because of the relentless rise of accommodation and rents over the past decade.

    Nobody has a solution.

    However, the problem appears to be that size of the accommodation is bigger than poor people can afford and there has to be a swing to more basic and smaller accommodation.

    Throwing more money at the poor doesn't work because prices rise to absorb the extra money.

    There is a disguised inflationary spiral which will cause severe pain in the next decades as more of the middle class become downwardly mobile.

    Costs of accommodation and government services are rising and the effect is not being exposed or compensated to the poor.
     
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    Um, the proliferation of off-shore tax havens? [​IMG] They seem to be making the elitists in European countries wealthy?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Or look at how supply and demand have tilted in the labor market and housing market.
     
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    The economy has been mismanaged by the current Commonwealth Government. Next election should sort that out.
     
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    1) Not at all precarious for those of us willing to adapt to changing economies etc. ie, if I can't afford the area I could afford 5 years ago, it's time to move. only those who refuse to adapt will perish.

    2) Everybody has the solution, but many don't implement it. see 1) above, and "if you can't afford something, don't buy it".

    3) The problem has nothing to do with size. It's a function of inner cities becoming the province of the rich, with starving artists, musicians hipsters (the poorly paid lovers of inner city life), no longer being able to compete for housing. These last have a bizarre and ugly sense of entitlement, so are demanding that govt provide cheap rents for them in their preferred location. That's like demanding to live on the beach for a quarter of the rent your neighbours pay. Just because you're you, and so very special.

    4) It will only cause pain to those who refuse to adapt, remember. The sane people plan ahead for these things, and adapt along the way.
     
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    WTF to the Nth degree!!!
     
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    What are you talking about

    Plenty of affordable housing!!

    [​IMG]
     
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    Hmm, open living
     
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