The 3 Reasons Women Shouldn't Vote

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  1. RiseAgainst

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    Extremely well put together video that argues why women should not vote. It is rich in sources in the links below the video and he backs up everything he says with data.

    I'm struggling to find anything I disagree with in the video. After watching it, do you agree or disagree? Why or why not? Please explain.
     
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    Lemme take a crack at it.

    This guy is arguing that women shouldn't vote because he doesn't understand root causes.

    His first point claims that they shouldn't vote because they vote for the welfare state. My counter to that is that it is single women (with children) who voting overwhelmingly for the welfare state and that is because they aren't adequately provided for. If the father provided enough for the household, the single woman would not need to vote for welfare. He also grouped all women in with a certain type of voter and that voter votes a certain way because her man can't or won't provide for his household adequately.

    His second point seems to be a complaint that women shouldn't get more justice, which doesn't make a lot of sense considering he seems to be anti-egalitarian. If women are supposed to be weaker wouldn't crimes against them be more egregious? He complains about egalitarianism while advocating that females be treated the same as males? Seems off imo.

    Also, this man doesn't know American history. He complained about identity politics when America is a race-based country and is all about identity politics and always has been. He talks about objectivity when American history is littered with injustice based on all sorts of identities and incomes. His second point is complete BS.

    His last reason, that women are not responsible, is simply a biased opinion. Seeing the faults in one group and not in another means this point can be dismissed. I could address it with examples but this post would be even longer.
     
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    I have agreed with you on a lot of issues but this not only wrong but disrespectful.
     
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    You know what is disrespectful? Building a society based on our feelings and not on Justice. It is proven that women's morality comes from a care based system. And Men based their morality on a Justice based system. He goes more into detail in the video but the point is if we have people voting and deciding on the fates of people's futures in the courtroom and so forth and they're guided by a care-based system there will not be Justice in this country. And there's already data there with female judges and so forth that demonstrate this.
     
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    What is disrespectful is that you think you know what is best for millions of people. That a select few should "represent" and control the many; that is same reason I can't stand liberals and their concentrated power in attempt to plan our lives saying we can't do it better ourselves.
     
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    Justice for men or justice for men and women?

    I have never seen such crushing male insecurity.
     
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    Justice for men or justice for men and women?

    I have never seen such crushing male insecurity.
     
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    Phucking idiots, it is a struggle with relevance, coherence and meaning.
     
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    Unfortunately this was the vision of the founders, they despised the rabble and learned from Bacon's Rebellion that the masses must be kept quibbling amongst themselves for the aristocracy to remain in power. Same as it is today.
     
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    Which is ironic since what he's doing is, in fact, identity politics. "there are too many women voting", "there are not enough women CEOs", "there are not enough Asian albinos rubbing my shoes". It's all the same thing.

    The far right lunacy of denying women their voting rights is the exact equivalent of the far left lunacy of denying white men their voting rights, as has been called for in the past by SJWs.

    In both cases the argument always boils down to "this group of people supports policies I don't like". These guys support stuff I don't like, so screw democracy.

    Now what they could do is simply point out the value systems of that specific group of people and how these value systems are dangerous, so that constructive criticism and debate could cause these value systems to change, since that's, you know, the whole point of democracy.

    But wait, that would require being a sane individual that rejects genetic determinist pseudoscience and actually supports democracy and civil rights...wow that's too hard.

    Why do that when you can simply be a far right extremist? Human society should be modeled like an insect colony with the workers and the breeders. Fascism is awesome.
     
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    Only pathetic and weak men worry about giving women the right to vote or the right to work. Little worms who hide out in Mom's basement.

    Yes, I know this is just another troll thread by the OP.
     
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    For all its quirks and deficiencies, its the best system known to man. People nowadays willingly vote their freedoms away in exchange for the perception of safety.

    Right now it looks like Obama broke the seams of our government nonpartisanship. The deep state is very real. It took 250+ years to create one but Obama did it.
     
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    :nod: A hypocritical control freak if you ask me.
     
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    I watched the video. My disagreements with it:

    1. IMO, women or femaleness did not create or enable the welfare state, the gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-trial lawyer-MSM Complex -created- large swaths of misguided and dependent women via propaganda, false narratives of victimhood and out and out $$ vote buying. It revolves around gov-edu, the largest female jobs program in the world at all levels from elementary to post secondary, and feminism, an immensely successful mythology and package of lie narratives, both the domains of young, single women, the primary Complex targets. If people can be convinced to push their neighbors into killing fields by propaganda, young, single women who are subject to teachers' union, MSM and general Complex propaganda can more easily be convinced that they are victims in a country of violent, raping men among all the other lies they are told hundreds of times a day about the world they live in.

    Moreover, pop culture has convinced young men and women both that they aren't cool and successful unless they are constantly partying and having sex. When this trap unfolds, is the desire for support by single mothers a product of "female" differences, or a natural reaction to a successful Complex/consumerist trap? I believe it's far more the latter.

    Keep in mind that the supposed "caring morality" of women as applies to politics comes to light in an environment where citizens are blasted daily with lie narratives on patriarchy, glass ceilings, wage gaps, rape apology, rape culture, toxic masculinity, etc. Not to mention general lie narratives of the Complex on "the rich and poor," "income and wealth inequality," "shrinking middle class," "white privilege," and a whole host of others. Without all these Complex lie narratives and traps, would more women vote with their big brains as opposed to some primordial bio-conditioning? The video obviously believes they wouldn't. I believe they most definitely would... and are. Feminism is on the way OUT, thankfully, after a 50 year reign of terror. There are just as many female voices decrying it as male, more even.

    2. As has been stated in the thread, answering the vile toxin of identity politics with more identity politics is not only folly, but dangerous. The left is much better at false victimhood than the nonleft, it's their wheelhouse. When the nonleft starts carrying that bad water, it legitimizes their rotten identity politics, doesn't counter it, strengthens it. It's understandable that there is some pretty harsh backlash to feminism as expressed in the video and in other places, feminism has affected millions of men negatively and directly, and they are more and more angry and vocal in decrying it. Still no reason to stoop to their level.

    3. Women as "children" and lacking moral agency... this is ironing itself out. The lack of more outspoken women against the hypocrisy and injustice of feminist sacred cows like affirmative action is shocking at first, but explained by several factors, especially the Complex propaganda culture already mentioned. Again, go on youtube and look at the vehement outcry by women against feminism, even otherwise -liberal- women. The MSM branch of the Complex is eating itself. It is becoming cool to hate the media, feminism and other LW lies. This is just forming, give it time.

    4. Or alienate the MAJORITY of white women who voted for Trump, against the status quo, against the swamp/nanny state, the significant majority of married women who vote against statism and nannyism, and the minority of other women who are waking up in droves by talking about how they don't deserve to vote because... (insert the same types of stinking, bad arguments that feminists have been peddling against men for 50 years). That's exactly what eventually resulted in the backlash. Let's not repeat bad ideas. We need to help women see through the MOUNTAINS of cultural BS that is targeted at keeping them, just like blacks, on the nanny welfare state plantation, not alienate them and condescend to them with half-baked pseudoscience.
     
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    There is no such thing as Deep State.. Republican crackpots made it up.
     
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    These pissants don't want women to be educated, vote, work or be able to get a divorce. They are pathetic worms.
     
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    two words:

    Margaret Thatcher
     
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    The exceptions prove the rule.
     
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    So then you condemn Mohammad for saying in a hadith that women are deficient intellectually and spiritually, correct? I do.
     
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    Anti-women views in Christian-majority nations mostly come from the Bible teaching children, at a young age, that women (and their sexuality) are inferior to men. God prefers men because, even though women actually outnumber men, god picked way way WAY more MALE "prophets" than female ones. It all starts with a sexist god.
     
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    Anti-feminism is the belief that feminism was justified in the distant past (for voting rights, abortion, civil rights etc), but that feminism has no reason to exist anymore and has just degenerated into a cancer of fake victimhood, man-hating and entitlement that should be destroyed once and for all.

    Being an anti-feminist myself, there is a very clear line between anti-feminism and misogyny. The aptly named "turd flinging monkey" who made the video in the OP crosses that line with a bulldozer by denigrating women as a whole and denying their civil rights. Screw him.
     
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    False. They've infiltrated all the "non-partisan" agencies, very dangerous to our Republic. Liberals point at Trump as the biggest threat to our government when it is actually themselves that are endangering the our public institutions and hence people at large.
     
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    Agreed for the most part. I'm a bit harsher on feminism, it became expert at falsely claiming credit for progress in human rights that the rule of law and capitalist tech boom brought naturally, the credit-glomming just another one of its many lies. The suffragettes (nor the antisuffragettes, whom feminists always forget somehow) were NOT feminists, they were highly conservative, traditional, fundamentalist socialites seeking prohibition and harsh prostitution laws.

    What happened at the true inception of feminism in the late 50s was that academic feminist Marxists needed window dressing of past legitimacy to get money and credibility in a time when Marxism was still a dirty word in the U.S. So they FABRICATED first wave feminism out of thin air, composed it of disparate, non feminist women's movements over 200 years, as a "long, hard fight for women's rights," put on a dress til the tuition and other checks were signed, then right back to the Mao hats, Red Books and castration parties. Sound a bit red-scarish and exaggerated? Check these out:

    The true origin of feminism as told by one of the original proto feminists who was drummed out, scorned and had her life threatened for not being Red enough:

    http://fathersforlife.org/pizzey/destrctn.htm

    Betty Friedan? Author of The Feminine Mystique, the foundational manual of feminism that started the whole thing by lamenting the dreary lives of Long Island housewives? Complete fabrication of a career communist propagandist. This only came to light when a LW true believer biographer thought it would do her legacy good to finally tell the truth... boy was he wrong:

    http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/50s/friedan-per-horowitz.html

    Feminism is now, and has always been all one thing, just a variant of Marxist-Leninist-Maoist cultural and social destabilization via false victimology, ironically morphing around 2000 into good ole crooked Democrat discriminatory politics and vote buying. There are no "strands" and "waves" of it, that's all hooey, lily pads that LW frogs (not pepe frogs, bad ones) use to hop to and fro when one "pad" becomes inconvenient. When you hear them with their "Oh, I'm the -good- type of feminist, the "lounge chair, baccarat, chex mix strand," not the bad "tickle me elmo, purina dog chow, muntjac strand," it's all horseshit. Feminism was, is and always will be all one thing, a derivative of Marxist-Leninist-Maoism, and probably the most "successful" strand of it in world history.
     
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    Its nonsense and propaganda......
     
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    The FBI alone tells us all we know about what Obama's dealings were. place partisans everywhere and provide them with cover.
     

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