What caused the ice age?

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  1. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The massive industrialization by dinosaurs led to disastrous global warming, killing off the dinosaurs. This caused their industries to stop operations and their burning of fossil fuels to end, thus leading to the ice age, which is the normal steady-state condition of earth if fossil fuels are not used for energy. It is scientific fact according to 99% of scientists that only burning fossil fuels can alter the climate. Anyone who disputes this is a science denier.
     
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    The lie that climate change never happened before people...................

    Your intellect is showing................

    LOL
     
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    Biofuels make Oxygen and capture CO2 before they are processed, then they emit less CO2 than ever before, then the process begins again. Given enough time biofuels will render the Earth with to little CO2 in the air....

    Then we have to go back to burning oil and coal to up the CO2 levels in the atmosphere
     
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    No one disputes that the climate changed before humans. This is a strawman you're building. It's not my doing.
     
  5. iamanonman

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    Wait...what? I thought you're entire position centered on humans not being capable of making a significant difference. Now you're saying we may need to make more CO2? Can you clarify what your point is here?
     
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    The point is that by growing fuel we actually create Oxygen, though hardly enough to counter deforestation.
    Your problem is you take everything you hear and read literally, but that's OK the dems need literal fools
     
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    Climate nuts claim that the climate is warming more now than at any point in history, I have mathematical proof that shows this is false
     
  8. Llewellyn Moss

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    Attempts to install solar panels on Brontosaurs and other large herbivores by the the Tryrannosaurus Rex lead green movement had limited effect. The solar panels were pricey and inefficient and it was impossible to convince the large plant eaters to keep the panels facing the sun.
     
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    Deforestation isn't the problem.

    I don't know what you think I read, but it's not probably not what you think. Are you familiar with any of the academic journals concerning atmospheric science?
     
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    I don't follow claims from climate nuts. What reputable climate scientists claim is that the Earth is warming at an incredibly fast rate (at least 0.15C/decade) with no known natural mechanism that can explain it.

    Just curious...what is your proof that the Earth has experienced 15C+ pet millennium rates of warming?
     
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    Temps in Greenland once changed 10C in a decade.
     
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    There are no reputable climate scientist that believe the Earth is warming faster than it did 20,000 years ago to 10,000 years ago. This is what you can not grip.

    The proof is that North American glaciers were recently measured at a retreat rate of 12 feet per year, which is claimed by dopey climate nerds to be the fastest rate of melt ever. Well 12 feet, times 20,000 years is 45.45 miles of melt in 20,000 years. Since the actual rate of melt since the height of the last ice age is over 900 miles, it has been far warmer in the last 20,000 years than it is now.

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    That is the most intelligent thing said here all day
     
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    Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa so you read nonsense that is Al Bore approved. academic journals concerning atmospheric science? You mean the ones that all have faked cherry picked or flat out false numbers in them.




    Try reading the stock market
     
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    LOL so how many thousand degrees is it in Greenland now
     
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    I'm not claiming that here.

    I feel like we're talking in circles. No one disputes that it was warmer in the past. No one disputes that the glaciers retreat really fast after ice ages. The EPICA and Vostok datasets are pretty convincing in this regard. Why are you suggesting that the melt rate dV/dt should be the same as it was when the ice age ended despite being so deep into the interglacial period that ice volumes are already near the lowest they've been in the last 500,000 years? How long do you think that rate dV/dt can be sustained given the current conditions? This is not a trick question.

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    I don't listen to Al Gore. I don't know why anyone should. Why are you listening to him? He is not a scientist. And he's certainly no expert.

    Ah, there it is. The data is faked. It's a conspiracy to pull off the biggest hoax of all time right?

    Just curious...so what other scientific discoveries do you think have been hoaxes?
     
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    The Earth continues to warm.
    NASA, NOAA, the IPCC and a long list of other trusted organisations have confirmed that yearly global average temperature continues to climb.
    What fuels the myth that global warming has "paused" is that the rate of air temperature rise does fluctuate in the short term. In recent years the rate of air temperature rise has been slower. This is not unusual in the longer-term temperature record. Sometimes air temperature rises quickly and sometimes more slowly. It is crucial that we look at the long-term trend. The long-term trend is that temperature is rising. Each calendar year will not necessarily be warmer than the year before. But with the current level of greenhouse gas emissions, scientists expect each decade to be warmer than the previous one.
    https://www.climatecouncil.org.au/pause-in-warming-debunked
     
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    Look dude, you are deluded and uninformed. What the supposed climate scientist are saying is that it is warmer now and warming faster than it ever was or did in the past, which is the reason for PANIC. So you need to educate yourself to what the climate scientist are saying before you babble nonsense. I hate to be rude but you contradict yourself with every post.

    Fact Climate change is 5 billion years old, the Earth was completely frozen over at one point, thus warming allows for our species to exist.
     
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    Which is simply an opinion, right? "extremely fast" seems arbitrary given that the IPCC used the same figure to demonstrate expected warming caused naturally. Is that incorrect? So, if IPCC says that ~2C of warming should be expected naturally, if we stay well under that, aren't we golden? If not, why?
     
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    When I was a kid the experts were all saying that the earth would soon turn into an iceball again. It's best just not to listen to climatologists -- they're all the worst kind of extremists.
     
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    You can not provide one graph as evidence that the climate is warming faster now than in the last 20,000 years. No one can because the data was not recorded. You are the scientific fake, at one point people like you and they were scientist claimed that the speed of sound could never be exceeded. LOL, there is no data that proves or even indicates a problem with the climate, if it is warming as it has been for 20,000 years this is normal. If all the ice melts at Antarctica and the oceans rise, people will move. Just get used to it, your belief that you know how things should be and that they have to be as you say is goofy.
     
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    The problem is that the Earth actually changes on a scale where a million years is small, looking at every fluctuation and screaming is silly
     
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