Reputable climate scientists do not speak in terms of panic. You are listening to the media and Al Gore. You know they misinform so why do you paint your picture of global warming based on what they say? Stop listening to them. Instead, dive into the academic literature and see what real experts are saying. You simply cannot get this perspective by listening to the media and reading blogs. Global warming is not a panic situation. But, heat does not magically appear and disappear. The Earth is warming for a reason. That's what climate scientists are trying to figure out and right now there's one theory who's predictions and postdictions are better than the others. And for the record, I have educated myself. Not by listening to the media or Al Gore, but by reading the academic literature and interacting with experts in the field. Why will you not do the same?
Why does the Earth have to be warming faster today than at any time in the past for you to acknowledge that humans are responsible for the current warming? Remember, heat does not spontaneously appear and disappear. The Earth warms and cools for a reason. The reasons in the past were all natural. Duh...we get that get that. But, right now they are mostly anthroprogenic. All you have to do is present a convincing argument for a natural cause of the current warming. Can you do that? Many experts have tried and failed. Some have failed so badly they can't even get the direction of the temperature change right. The only predictions that are currently even close to observations are those that incorporate anthroprogenic effects. I'm not claiming they are perfect. I'm claiming they are the best we have. That is a fact. I do agree with you though that humans will adapt. I'm not suggesting that we do anything about the warming. I'm sorry if my quest for knowledge and understanding offends you. But, just think what the world would be like if the scientists that we love and revere and who propelled humanity to the heights we take granite today had said "meh" instead of "oh, that's interesting". There are a lot of people on this forum that share your apathy for an understanding about how the climate works so you're not alone. But, I happen to think it's great that we have sharp minds hard at work trying to figure things out.
How do you know? You just said in post #124 that no one can know because the data was not recorded. Which is it?
No one disputes this. You build up one strawman after another. At this point I'm thinking that you don't understand the primary hypotheses of AGW. Can you convince me otherwise? What are the main tenants of AGW? I'm not asking what the media and Al Gore tell you they should be. I'm asking what does the expert community say they are?
LOL I should listen to you because you read academic journals that say the ocean is rising and swallowing one island, while the other one is not being effected. I guess the idiots writing academic journals do not know that gravity levels out the sea so that if it goes up over one island it goes up over them all. Or these idiots do not know that islands can sink with the seafloor. LOL, you are clueless
I have never built a strawman, but you might need a brain, follow the yellow brick road to the wizard
The primary hypothesis of AGW states that the warming starts first in the troposphere, yet it is only the highly manipulated surface temperatures showing increasing warming while the models overestimate the troposphere warming by 3X.
Aliens at area 51 are another hypothesis Bigfoot is a hypothesis Nessie is a hypothesis Aliens built the pyramids is a hypothesis The moon is hollow is a hypothesis Humans causing climate change is a hypothesis
Now that makes sense, but the warming has been happening for 20,000 years now which proves that it is natural. If climate change is real why were pumps installed in Louisiana to pump the ocean back into a rising ocean that is above the pumps
Ah, you are not aware that the ocean does not have one height. Gravity does not level out the ocean so that the heights are homogeneous over the entire surface. Question...what causes this effect? This is not a trick question. Question...what is causing the oceans to rise right now? This is not a trick question. Again, these are not trick questions. I'm asking because I'm going to make you look up the answers for yourself. You wouldn't believe me if I told you anyway
New Orleans problem is caused by subsidence. It's not caused by rising oceans. The media wants you to think its AGW. But, experts say otherwise.
I do not have to look for any answers to combat your extremely limited IQ. Do you know your IQ? I doubt it. Now tell us how Tuvalu can disappear beneath a rising ocean and Fiji and American Samoa will not? Answer, because it's all lies
I know that, but why even rebuild anything below sea level if the oceans are rising? LOL, because it is not rising
Close enough. Yes, the troposphere warms and the stratosphere cools. That is one of the hypothesis of AGW. And yes, general circulation models that incorporate all known forcing mechanisms overestimate the troposphere warming. That's a well known problem, but they are the best we have right now. No other model (solar only, Milankovich only, etc.) gets as close and some can't even get the direction right). Reanalysis datasets (that do not manipulate the raw data) confirm that the troposphere is warming and the stratosphere is cooling as does the UAH and RSS datasets (which are heavily "manipulated"). Here is the latest version of UAH which skeptics love to post. Notice that it confirms that the lower troposphere is warming and the stratosphere is cooling. UAH Lower Troposphere: https://www.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/v6.0beta/tlt/uahncdc_lt_ac_6.0beta5 UAH Middle Troposphere: https://www.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/v6.0beta/tmt/uahncdc_mt_6.0beta5.txt UAH Stratosphere: https://www.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/v6.0beta/tls/uahncdc_ls_6.0beta5.txt
So you want to spend trillions of dollars on a hypothesis..................... You just admitted that AGW is not fact but theory This is moronic and irrational
Causes of Ice Ages: http://culter.colorado.edu/~saelias/glacier.html Global Warming saves lives; more people die from cold than heat.
The closest the models get to the troposphere warming is one Russian model or basically it is falling out of the bottom of the model range. Should give you pause to think.
