JFK would be a Republican today.

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  1. sawyer

    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    All this bad mouthing of Republican tax cuts got me thinking about the JFK tax cuts and I stumbled across some interesting articles on it. No doubt that JFK would not be welcome in today's Democrat party for multiple reasons.




    "President Ronald Reagan said: "I didn't leave the Democratic Party. The party left me." Actor and former president of the National Rifle Association Charlton Heston, who called himself a "Kennedy Democrat," switched to the Republican Party after the 1960s.

    On racial preferences, JFK, in 1963, said he opposed them: "I don't think that is the generally held view, at least as I understand it, of the Negro community, that there is some compensation due for the lost years, particularly in the field of education. What I think they would like is to see their children well-educated so that they could hold jobs and have their children accepted and have themselves accepted as equal members of the community. So I don't think we can undo the past. In fact, the past is going to be with us for a good many years in uneducated men and women who lost their chance for a decent education. We have to do the best we can now. That is what we are trying to do. I don't think quotas are a good idea. I think it is a mistake to begin to assign quotas on the basis of religion or race or color, or nationality."

    "It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high today and tax revenues are too low, and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now. ... The purpose of cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy, which can bring a budget surplus."

    On dealing with foreign enemies, JFK believed, as Reagan did, in peace through strength, not strength through peace. In his inaugural address, Kennedy said, "Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty."


    On the Second Amendment, this lifetime member of the NRA believed it conferred an individual right to keep and bear arms. In 1961, Kennedy said: "Today we need a nation of minutemen: citizens who are not only prepared to take up arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as a basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom. The cause of liberty, the cause of America, cannot succeed with any lesser effort."


    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a..._what_would_he_think_of_his_party_133099.html
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    JFK was the man behind the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

    the southern racists opposed it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964#House_of_Representatives

    When the bill came before the full Senate for debate on March 30, 1964, the "Southern Bloc" of 18 southern Democratic Senators and one Republican Senator led by Richard Russell (D-GA) launched a filibuster to prevent its passage.[16] Said Russell: "We will resist to the bitter end any measure or any movement which would have a tendency to bring about social equality and intermingling and amalgamation of the races in our (Southern) states.

    On June 11, 1963, President Kennedy met with the Republican leaders to discuss the legislation before his television address to the nation that evening. Two days later, Senate Minority Leader Everett Dirksen and Senate Majority Leader Mike Mansfield both voiced support for the president's bill, except for provisions guaranteeing equal access to places of public accommodations. This led to several Republican Congressmen drafting a compromise bill to be considered. On June 19, the president sent his bill to Congress as it was originally written, saying legislative action was "imperative".[10][11] The president's bill went first to the House of Representatives, where it was referred to the Judiciary Committee, chaired by Emanuel Celler, a Democrat from New York. After a series of hearings on the bill, Celler's committee strengthened the act, adding provisions to ban racial discrimination in employment, providing greater protection to black voters, eliminating segregation in all publicly owned facilities (not just schools), and strengthening the anti-segregation clauses regarding public facilities such as lunch counters.
     
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    Correction The Southern Democrats opposed it


    Name me those 18 senators that switched party's ?

    I dare ya
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the Southern GOP also opposed it

    racist Conservatives opposed civil rights.
     
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    Still can't tell me all those democrat senators switched party's huh?

    Why not ?


    Because you know I will get you with facts?
     
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    JFK was against quotas. Try to stay on subject.
     
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    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I notice you are avoiding the OP subject which is JFK and his policies that Democrats today would revolt at.
     
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    Only blacks would stay with a party put them in chains opposed civil rights and they still vote Democrats ..


    Werid
     
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    I would think JFK is still cussing out teddy today in heaven saying " how the heck did you manage to screw up the Democrat party?"
     
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    JFK cut taxes, they were very high under Republican "Ike" Eisenhower.

    Republicans today oppose civil rights, hold down the minimum wage, defund schools to promote a permanent underclass, build more
    prisons, gerrymander, and dearly love (black) voter suppression. Why would anyone but Clarence Thomas like Republicans?
     
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    I had not hear such complete nonsense since the white house press secretary last spoke are you looking to apply for her position?
     
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    The minimum wage is racist always has been


    And say Clarence Thomas what?

    Condoleeza rice

    Larry elder

    Herman Cain

    Tim Scott

    To name a few
     
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    And it's funny you mention this in the year 2017 the only place that's segregated is in the blue cities, the only place"s it's racist is in the North and the weirdo hill Billy's in the mountains.
     
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    I don't think he would be. He was like Bill Clinton in a lot of ways. They were both as liberal as possible while still being appealing enough to every day Americans in order to win politically given the environment they were in. Both appealed to the female vote by being better looking than their opponents (women place a lot of importance on this when voting). They both did some conservative things, but they were not conservatives by any stretch.

    This conversation needs to die. It comes up over and over again, but what's the point? Do you really think some wacked out liberal is going to interrupt his latte and yoga session and go "gee, you're right! Maybe I should take a look at the Republican party?" Not a chance.

    Kennedy could be summed up in two ways - 1) became a "war hero" by saving people in an accident that he himself caused due to his ineptitude, and 2) got shot and killed in a generation defining moment.
     
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    I don't expect liberals to change parties but I do expect them to wince when they look at the Kennedy record and compare it to the DNC of today. I seem to have achieved my goal too because with a couple of exceptions leftest in here are running from this thread like it's the plague.
     
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    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So in your opinion we are at the tipping point where lowering taxes will stimulate the economy but would still result in less revenue as the economy grows?
     
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    JFK agreed with lowering corporations tax rates too when they were higher than other countries as they currently are.

    "Kennedy understood the role of corporate tax rates in attracting foreign investment. In a message to Congress on taxation on April 20, 1961, he said, “In those countries where income taxes are lower than in the United States, the ability to defer the payment of U.S. tax by retaining income in the subsidiary companies provides a tax advantage for companies operating through overseas subsidiaries that is not available to companies operating solely in the United States. Many American investors properly made use of this deferral in the conduct of their foreign investment.”
     
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    They don't care though. They embrace FDR even though he put Japanese citizens into internment camps. They pick and choose from history what they claim to be the embodiment of. It's how they can claim ownership of Lincoln and MLK at the same time.
     
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    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't expect to change minds in here but I do enjoy rubbing liberal noses in facts and reality. It's good clean fun.
     
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    More JFK tax wisdom

    "Well before economics professors William Gentry of Williams College and Glenn Hubbard of Columbia University documented the negative effects of high taxes on risk-taking and entrepreneurship, Kennedy wrote in a Jan. 24, 1963, message to Congress, “Our tax system still siphons out of the private economy too large a share of personal and business purchasing power and reduces the incentive for risk, investment and effort — thereby aborting our recoveries and stifling our national growth rate.”

    Need to Know: Critical intelligence before the U.S. markets open

    When taxes are higher, risk-taking is reduced, because a larger portion of the payoff from risk is taken by the government. Rather than risk capital, people prefer the safer stream of income that comes from wages and salaries. Yet entrepreneurs add to the growth of the economy by using their ideas to create new firms, and often new jobs.
     
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    JFK would be a Republican today.

    Nope, J. Edgar and the defense contractors, along with the GOP assassinated JFK for trying to end the Vietnam war. The GOP is all about defending war contractor profits.
     
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    JFK was a Liberal, not a Conservative.
     
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    Early 1960s Republicans would almost to a man be Democrats today. At lease those not in the South
     
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    Well the GOP in those days was the GOP of Goldwater.

    It has mellowed since then.

    Reagan started the tax cuts for the rich.

    Dubya gave the rich more.

    Trump is about to give them more still.
     
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    republicans sold this as a middle class tax cut.....

    just be honest, it's main purpose is a tax cut for the rich
     

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