Tax cuts for middle class are temporary

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  1. Lesh

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    But s lot of pain for a lot of people before that happens
     
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    Hey how about this we don't care about you and your life style and pay for it yourself!
     
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    We thought Trump was an idiot...
    Which is it?
     
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    Then why didn't the Messiah do it in the first place he had the votes hell he had the the votes to make minimum wage $50 bucks an hour...
     
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    Not to worry. Social security and medicare are safe. Medicaid however will need the paring knife I'm afraid. Tax cuts aren't free. :banana:
     
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    Badabing, bada boom. (symbols crashing) We'll be here all week folks, don't forget to tip your servers.

    Seriously, what's the point? They either don't read or comprehend. I'd rather go joust with a fence post. At least it can defend itself with splinters.
     
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    Please go away. Common sense and facts are not welcome here. :grin:
     
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    Question1, what is rich to you? 2 When have tax cuts or raises ever been permanent?
     
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    del
     
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  10. Lesh

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    So you're pretending not to know the difference between tax cuts that automatically expire and those that are permanent?
     
  11. navigator2

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    You seem awful butthurt that the tax cuts will sunset unless action is taken by future Congresses.
    Are you,
    A) mad because they will expire
    B) mad because the Democrats, if in power then, will be staring up at a guillotine?

    See, this is what happens when asshats pass legislation like Obozocare. :banana:
     
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    Granted im only 37, but I've never had health insurance, and Im fine.

    On the rare occasion I need to see a doctor, I pay out of pocket, using the money I've saved by not buying health insurance and exempting out of the Ocare mandate.

    Granted, if I get cancer, Im fooked, given health insurance has allowed BigPharma to raise prices on treatment to ludicrous levels and the littany of cures out there like laetril and cannabis oil are illegal... but I do get self kudos from not contributing to the rediculousness.
     
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    Obozo ended the option of paying out of pocket but with a catastrophic safety net policy in case the crap hit the fan (like you describe). Health care would be cheaper if not for the HMO mentality that every time one has a hang nail, they must see a doctor. That led to the expectation of of a health care policy to include nail care and pedicures, so to speak. In the old days, unless you were truly sick you just didn't go for every little splinter. It became an expected right. Under Obozocare, you now have to pay for your little sniffles, even if you do go to the doctor. So we got less while paying more. It's time to go back to the way things were.
     
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    Well he didn't 'end' it, but he tried, and it became MUCH harder to find a doctor that would take cash.
     
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    I certainly didn't. What part of the country do you live? If anything, doctors are more than happy to bypass the entire debacle around here.
     
  16. Quantum Nerd

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    No, that doesn't mean you are fooked, it means I, and other responsible people having health insurance, are fooked.

    What will happen is that you, instead of quietly slinking into the wilderness and dying of cancer, will immediately run to the next emergency room and get treatment off the taxpayer's/the insured dime.

    Unsurprisingly, you are not the first and not the last conservative who thinks they are immortal and that it is always the others getting sick. And then I and others pay the price for your irresponsibility.
     
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    False, false, false.
     
  18. Hoosier8

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    If you actually find out why the only thing between making them permenant are the democrats. Due to the process required to get a tax cut past the democrats is process. Don't worry, in ten years or sooner if democrats get control they will be raised again or like Bernie said, raised on everyone to 25%.
     
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    Pure show. Dems would never vote for the final bill so the only way it would pass requires them to be temporary.
     
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    according to the left, if there is a recssion we can just increase the debt to credit our way out....what happened....take a class in math recently?
     
  21. Hoosier8

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    You will find no matter the economy the Dems have a reason tax cuts are never good.
     
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    Because of the Senate rules regarding debt.
     
  23. Quantum Nerd

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    Inability (or unwillingness) to address my points noted. Instead, deflection to the "left".

    To answer your question, though, yes, government should be able to increase the debt in a recession, to prevent going into a depression. Government should act as a low-pass filter for the economic cycle. Smooth out both highs and lows through anticyclic spending. The GOP wants to do the exact opposite, exacerbate both highs and lows of the business cycle through positive feedback.
     
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    You forgot to factor in that the tax cuts and economic benefits will make a lot of people's economic status (the ones that actually are trying to succeed) much better, pushing them into higher tax brackets- meaning, that the cut for them was "temporary". Or maybe that is what you are saying?

    I know it's grossly unfair; the small number of people that are paying the vast majority of taxes now could surely have afforded to pay more, so you wouldn't have to pay at all.
     
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    deflection my ass..in a nutshell
    Obama 10T on nothing = good thing to you
    Ttump 1.5T for benefit of natuon = bad.
    Do you agree that is your sentiment.
     

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