F-22 (Raptor) attacked a Russian attack aircrafts Su-25

Uh huh. Russia will swoop in and save the Ukrainian people.

 

What is the Ukrainian people? I never hear about that strange nation...

 

Oh yeah! Soviet women are very love German soldiers.

 

Ukrainians ?! Here this people. They shout "To hang the Russians on the gallows and cut with knives." But these are trifles for very free, fair and democratic countries)))

 

He's a Russian Troll.

 

I can't fully agree with you, colleague, in my humble opinion it is not a people. It's just a rabble.

 

Any Russian Troll would say to you, that being a Troll only is better than being a Fat&Stupid. Of course, being a Russian Troll is best

 

You are an US troll. Bill Maher is right ...

 

I am not agree. The troll cannot be stupid. Nobody will be answering to him. It will not be interesting.

 

All countries listed held referendums and voted not to join the EU, or voted to leave.


I have no cite for my claim that the EU has failed every audit, it's common knowledge.
If you wanted a cite you could have Googled one, and still can. I'm not in the habit of spoon feeding people with common knowledge that is public domain.
Dismiss it out of hand, believe it, or satisfy your own curiosity researching it.
It's your life.


Countries such as America are openly calling to leave NATO, my country is leaving the EU.
I advocate for my country to leave NATO also. It's over expanded, too many allies that are useless and likely to drag us into their wars, but unlikely to ever come to our defence.

No idea why Greece doesn't drop the Euro, certainly there was much speculation that it might do so. Greece, did turn to Russia. Cyprus too.

I'm not looking for my country to have a trade deal with Russia, America or the EU.
Sorry.
No TTIP no EU and nothing with Russia either.

 

Ireland is in the EU, did not vote to leave it, nor do the Irish people want to leave the EU.

Well, you're wrong.

https://infacts.org/mythbusts/auditors-havent-refused-sign-off-eu-accounts/

That said, you won't find me defending the waste involved.

America isn't going to leave NATO. Trump is demagoguing the issue.

NATO comes to the aid of a country under attack, not one that starts a war.

Because their debts are in Euros and a Greek currency would depreciate instantly and their debt could easily double overnight,

Sure, you can always be poor. No one will care.

 

No were not trolls, we just like correcting russian trolls like yourself.

 

Whatever. It doesn't allow anyone to interfere with internal Russian affairs. Especially the elections.

 

That is why probably they reducd their freedom themselves to repeat the ideas of mainstream propaganda... ))) Look at the forum here. We have plenty of different opinions from all over the world from the far left to the far right. But all the Americans' posts look as if they are made at the same factory. The only thing they differ might happen while talking about the conflicts which are there in media. For instance a conflict between the Clintons and Trump. I heard tons of dirty arguments about each of them and promises to put another into jail. But so far the guys live happily together making Trump systemic with silly and costly prosecutions. You call that freedom? I see no difference from North Korea. Except for the money. US is a bit more rich to afford a better show.

 

CBA to click your link. Sorry.

Britain voted to leave the EU in a referendum, Ireland famously voted not to join the EU in a referendum.
Also France and the Netherlands.
Britain was widely expected to vote not to join the EU in a referendum and hence they never held it.
And that is the model for EU membership. Not to ask anyone as it risks them saying "no".

Trumps got the right idea. NATO isn't fit for purpose.
France comes and goes.

NATO never came to the aid of my country when it was under attack.
And some peanut country in Eastern Europe is utterly incapable of coming to the defence of my country if it was under attack.
Ridiculous to imagine Montenegro as a strategic ally. Lithuania? FFS.
No thanks. Nothing mutual in that defence treaty.

Lessons of WW1 and WW2 utterly forgotten already.

The Greeks have no shame in defaulting on their debts. Double it quadruple it, halve it, reduce it by 90%. Makes no difference to Greece, they aren't going to pay.


I'm a wealthy enough guy thanks.
Didn't need your help to make my money. Still don't.
No desire to be part of your treaty. Carry on being rich without me please.

 

Oh my goodness. A fully reconstituted and frothing ice old school cold war warrior. Forgive my naïvety. I hadn't realised.

You do realise that Putin is your saviour don't you...

 

Trump is very corrupt! Before there was no corruption!

 

Can you please tell me of any examples of when it ever happened? I remember about the intrusions of NATO to a different country, which didn't even think about attacking a NATO country. Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya... Which NATO country was attacked?

 

America.
NATO members deemed 9/11 an attack on America (and went off to Afghanistan to kill loads of people who didn't do it).
This is the one and only triggering of the NATO defence pact to date.

Yugoslavia and Iraq were not NATO missions. (Russia is not a NATO member but invaded Yugoslavia).

Libya is the best and perhaps only example of NATO making an unprovoked attack.

 

Even if we don't take conspiracy theories the attack on twin towers was performed by terrorists and not the state. Iraq and Hussein were nowhere near that attack. Afghanistan (where the first strikes happened) was also not guilty as organizing this awful terrorist attack. At the moment it seems to be proven that Saudi Arabia is blamed in financing... So the case with an attack on the US didn't lead to the war with the country who did it anyway. This is why I still want to know if the statement done by our respected mr. LangleyMan is based on any fact at all!

Let's have a table of NATO attacking and NATO defending since the beginning. I am ready to fill in the first column, but I don't know what can be written in the second one. In an ideal world there should be some links between the columns and moreover the attack on a NATO country should happen earlier than the strike back. But I don't even insist on it. I ask if ever NATO country was under attack from a different state.

 

Iraq wasn't attacked by NATO. Some of the people who attacked Iraq were NATO members. "The coalition of the willing" was not NATO based however.

NATO members cited the attack on USA as reason to invade Afghanistan. Whether or not you believe this to be a reasonable response. It happened.
It is the one and only time the NATO treaty has been triggered.

Libya was attacked by NATO members using the NATO command structures. It was a "NATO led" operation.

 

I'm not surprised you don't like my link because it shows you're full of hot air about EU auditing.

Random thoughts? Your claim the Irish people want out of the EU is false.

Then your country wasn't a NATO member.

Then why don't they?

You speak for the people of your country, whatever it is?

 

Tell us how Russia is less corrupt than the EU. This should be good.

Don't keep me in suspense. Tell me why Putin is may "savior."

P.S. I'm about ready to put you in the same category as a few others around here who don't have clue.

 

United States by Afghanistan in 2001.

 

Afghanistan had the chance to deal with the terrorists they were harboring and refused. That made them complicit.