Good guys with no guns more successful at stopping bad guys

Sorry but you have to ask a point about women at risk of violence??

 

Unless it is research published in a reputable journal it is NOT "fact" it is at best opinion, but more usually just wishful thinking

You want to win THIS discussion find some research that comes to a different conclusion

and no some bloggers opinion off of "guns for ammosexuals" does NOT count as "research"

 

I wasn't actually asking the question of you.

What I was asking was not about woman at risk of violence. The statement I was questioning was this:

Just wondering what the posters point was in pointing out that women are at higher risk in the U.S.

 

(((((((((((((Sigh)))))))))))) We are talking about the Kleck study here.

Let's leave aside the shoddy survey Methodology
Let's leave aside all the psychological issues that make asking someone a question about DGUs give interesting answers (misremembering time frames, misremembering who was at fault, etc etc etc)
Putting aside that there is a strong "false positive" when remembering events like this

To GET a figure of over 2.5 million there has to be a gun used defensively in more than 100% of burglaries. There would have to be hundreds of thousands of criminals shot and or killed each year.

 

Do you know where a "meta-analysis" sits in the research hierarchy?

http://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/1...timization-among-household-members-systematic

 

The bit where he mentions German women being killed by butter knives ..... sorry if its confusing

 

Err .... that was my point. That guns put women in the US at far greater risk than in other developed nations

This is a bit like pulling teeth

 

Why? You're an Aussie. Go play with a 'roo. The problems facing a nation the same size as the US 48 but with a population less than Texas are much different than the US itself. Despite similar backgrounds (primarily English colonies relying on immigrants to build population), the US won its independence, the Australians were given theirs. That difference itself is a primary reason why the US has a culture emphasizing independence and the right of self-defense. Those given their freedom will never understand those who fought for theirs. Yes, even a few generations removed.

“For those who fight to protect it, freedom has a flavor that the protected will never know.”​

 

True, but our homicide (all forms of murder) rate is higher than Australia's. OTOH, if we remove all the gang-bangers murdering each other, the rate drops dramatically to less than half. Unfortunately, over half of all US murders are of black Americans which is shocking since black Americans constitute only about 1/6 of white Americans, a little over a thirteenth overall. If "We, the People" were able to reduce the murder of black Americans to the same level as white Americans, it would reduce the murder rate by half. As shown below, if the murder of black Americans was reduced to the same percentage of white Americans, victims would be reduced from 7,039 to 1,010 resulting in a total that is less than half the original total. This, like the American homicide rate as a whole, is cultural, not racial. For some reason the gang-bangers in American Big Blue Cities like Chicago, Memphis, Detroit, New Orleans, Baltimore and St. Louis drive the murder rate up to 2 to 5 times the national average.

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-29/race-and-homicide-in-america-by-the-numbers
White and Black Victims
Black people have consistently accounted for close to half the country's homicide victims, making up more than 50 percent of the broader pool of those killed overall every year since 2010. The number of black victims increased 15 percent in 2015 over 2014.

Of the 13,455 cases from last year in which the FBI listed a victim's racial information, 7,039 victims – or 52.3 percent – were black. That compares with 5,854 cases – or 43.5 percent – in which the victim was white, an increase of about 8 percent from last year.

It's a disparity that becomes more pronounced in the context of population, as 2015 Census estimates suggest that whites account for 77.1 percent of the overall U.S. population of roughly 321 million, while blacks comprise 13.3 percent.





https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder-map-deadliest-u-s-cities/

 

Would data from the BATFE and the FBI suffice?

https://www.atf.gov/resource-center...tates-annual-statistical-update-2017/download

Number of guns manufactured less exports plus imports yields net increase in firearms.

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

Data on crime in the US taken from annual FBI UCR reports. Start from 1996, the same year that Australia imposed their confiscatory laws, and calculate the increase in firearms and decrease in crime rates.

Do the same for Australia and tell us the results.

http://www.aic.gov.au/dataTools/facts/vicViolentCol.html

 

how many Americans spent s much time complaining on Australian Boards about Australia and its silly gun laws?

 

In all fairness, there's gotta be at least one or two asshats who do so.

 

With all the fear of gunowners, there were only 160 active shooter incidents in 13 years? That's great. I wonder what keeps that number low?

If a person is able to be stopped by unarmed civilians, there is not need for an armed citizen to pull his weapon. That's how folks are trained. You don't pull unless you are going to shoot. So, I'm not sure those 21 should not be removed from the study. None stopped those who were serious about using their firearm.

I've had guys point a gun at me. I had no weapon. If they wanted to kill, I would not be here. I could not stop them. They stopped themselves. So did the 21.

 

How do you know if a shooter is able to be stopped by unarmed civilians until after the fact? After how many failed attempts should an armed civilian wait until engaging?

In recent years active shooters in a Philadelphia barbershop, on the streets on Chicago (Uber driver incident) and in a South Carolina nightclub were engaged by legally armed civilians and stopped without loss of innocent life.

 

are you saying only Americans should be allowed to discuss American political issues?

sounds like a USSR or Nazi Germany type rule.

 

No. Are you saying Americans should be allowed to tell Aussies, Germans and everyone else how they should live?

 

If those folks want to be Gunless Panty Waists, it is their own look out....
However when Foreigners call Americans insulting names like Ammo-sexual, innuendo to equate gun owners with something besides personal Defense it goes beyond discussion and becomes most offensive.

 

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Inner city youths in High School, that get pregnant and drop out.
The males drop out too.

 

Keep posting as a shill for the gun companies

 

Why is that ?
They say they know how guns work, and why and what makes guns more lethal, yet guns are not legal to own in their Country....

 

Yes, Gum control.

 

you didn't understand the point. they can discuss all they want-most of us don't have much use for their opinions though. btw the people who want a ussr or Nazi government are the ones trying to disarm American citizens

 

there is no evidence of that.

 

Yep they should. They are offering opinions...not pointing a gun at them and making demands

 

that's not the result of firearms, that's the result of violent 3rd world cultures in our country.

Like I said, you're going to learn all about it.