Angela Merkel Lectured Trump On Global Warming, Now Germany Abandoning Its Climate Goal.....

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  1. Baff

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    Different people apply different standards of proof and they apply different standards of proof to different things.
     
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    You aren't doing anything right, your trade imbalance is massive. Dur.
    You aren't being paid for your labours. This is not smart.

    Your boom ends when you realise the people you lent cars too, aren't going to pay for them.

    It may be stupid to get into more debt than you can repay, but it's a damn sight stupider to get into credit with people who can't repay.
     
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    Correlation is never proof.
     
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    Yeah, the Germans are finding out that Solar and Wind facilities that they poured huge subsidies into are useless when the sun doesn't shine and the wind doesn't blow.

    I just passed through North West Texas on Interstate 40 and highway 287. There are thousands of wind generators polluting the view up there. For miles and miles that I drove through none of the generators blades were turning - no wind. Despite having more wind generators than most anywhere, wind provides less than 10% of Texas energy needs and it is intermittent at best.

    If you depend on "renewables" for energy, what do you do to heat your house or power your business when the wind doesn't blow and the sun doesn't shine?
     
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    Proof is subjective.
    Correlation may be all the proof a person needs to convince them absolutely. Depends on that person.
     
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    I'm an absolute kinda guy.

    I don't think the end is near at all. I think we're going to face minor inconvenience as a result of climate changed cause by us. Some peoples won't be quite as lucky.
     
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    What should we do to compensate those people for the inconvenience we caused by whatever weather event happens? Are we to blame for every drought or every flood that happens now?
     
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    I'm glad you're an absolute kind of guy. Just remember that you are a finite being.
     
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    I don't know what we should do, but what we're likely to do is use humanitarian aid as a cheap way of spreading influence in the more stricken areas.
     
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    There are technical facilities that store electricity created by wind and/or sunlight.
     
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    Get back to me when 97% of so called climate scientists agree that income redistribution through carbon taxes will have a noticeable affect.
     
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    can you explain why there is no longer a lake where the sahara is?
     
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    It was just a mirage.
     
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    If correlation convinces a person that's fine but to base a nations energy policy on it is another issue altogether
     
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    You are so right, and this is very clearly reflected in Angela Merkel and her regime. The truly amazing thing is, that by German standards, she and her CDU Party are actually considered to be "centrist", or even slightly to the Right by Germans! Make no mistake -- Germany has varieties of Leftists that make even the most rabid California Democrats seem positively rational by comparison....

    Merkel was raised in the old East Germany where she was a member of the Communist Youth movement. Steeped in all the East German dogma of how horrible "the West" was, along with all the requisite World War II guilt-trip, she was 'pumped-and-primed' by the time she became the German Chancellor after 'reunification' with West Germany. Like many of today's Germans, she is that marble-caked mixture of "repentant-sinner" and a 'smarter-than-thou' "messiah-complex" that will enable Germany to save the world from itself.

    How would these 'born-again' Germans do this? Hybrid-Socialism! Pure and simple, with ongoing, heavy doses of even more World War II guilt-trips. And the perverse but amazing thing is that the Germans are better at making Socialism and Capitalism work together in their unique 'Nanny-State' than any other country in the world! :omg:

    But, hey, deep down inside, Germans are still common-sense people. They know that they can buy all the natural gas they want from Russia at very comparatively CHEAP prices. Compared to developing wind power (in a country where the wind doesn't blow so hard so much of the year), and solar power (in a country where the sun doesn't shine so brightly so much of the year), cheap natural gas from Russia is the only thing that makes sense for many years to come.

    When we finally (FINALLY) master and begin using hydrogen-fusion power plant technology, it'll probably be a collaboration of German and Russian scientists who roll it out. But that won't be during Angela Merkel's regime, or, sadly, her lifetime, mine, or yours....
     
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    The wetness of North Africa is dependent on the North African Monsoon Cycle.
     
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    Global Warming is threatening our major cities and food supply and you are worried by politics and how income will be distributed? Good grief.
     
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    that wasnt what I asked
     
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    In the history of humanity, warming has always allowed for greater food production. And it will this time too, given the earth is warming due to it natural cycles and the co2 we put into the environment.

    Those coastal cities would be threatened at some point due to the cyclical warming of the planet. I think the doom and gloom crowd would rather not think about that.

    Can't stop the natural warming and cooling cycles, although one would get the idea that the doom and gloom crowd don't seem to believe these proven cycles exist. Only man is responsible.

    We can handle much more co2 than at present, and our parts per million in co2 will not bring on doomsday. But convincing the hysterical about this seems to be rather impossible. Our real worries should be super volcanoes, big rocks from space, an untreatable, lethal virus, which mother nature will throw at us to reduce population, and nuclear war. That the planet is warming naturally and with help from man is way down on the list of possible life ending scenerios.

    And of course, climatology is far too limited in knowledge and understanding to make such claims. Voodoo science, created by the very real limitation of knowledge and understanding. We simply do not know enough or understand the complexities sufficiently in order to become accurate prophets. But that does not stop the soothsayers and fortune tellers.
     
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    No, warming only allows greater food production in colder places. In hotter places it creates a lot of desertification. We have already seen what local warming does to the US. It created droughts and lowers food production. This is something we see in other places in the world like the Middle East and Africa. Things being unusually hot means big droughts.
     
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    The answer is that the North African monsoon cycle is on its drier periods which is why the lakes disappeared. I myself life in the dry side of Washington State which is desert but on the other side of the mountains its a forest. Sometimes local cycles can change which areas area desert and which are forest depending on where the water is going. Local climate often goes in cycles so no matter the global temperature the Sahara will oscillate between green and desert.
     
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    Oscillate between green and dessert?

    All the articles I have seen in the last few years show that the Sahara has been a desert for a lot longer than we think and was caused more by the movement of tectonic plates than anything else.

    The Smithsonian did an article about this and found out the Sahara has been a desert for like 7 million years. Hold on let me find it ...

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science/sahara-millions-years-older-thought-180952735/

    After reading the article again, the "Green Sahara" you refer to seems to be the result of occasional "orbital wobble" more than anything else.

    https://www.nature.com/scitable/kno...ahara-african-humid-periods-paced-by-82884405
     
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    The lack of rainfall creates deserts. And it takes a long time for this to happen. Crops can still be grown in current areas and warming opens up more land, which in the US would be northward.

    Droughts have been common for most of our history. The great drought experienced by the Mayans is said to have helped to end that civilization. And obviously, it was not caused by co2, for we were not using fossil fuels. This drought experienced by the mayans lasted for years, and imploded their civilization. So, using a drought to evidence doomsday warming is not something anyone should do. For the ground on which one would stand is not firm at all.

    I would think that a warming earth generally speaking will create a wetter earth, and keep the next ice age at bay. Warming is probably so much less of a problem for us than cooling and ice age. If the earth were to start to cool, that would concern me, given ice ages and warming are cyclical and beyond our control. But a warming? I don't think it involves doomsday. Given that man has benefitted from past warming. And that is all we really have to go on, the effects upon humanity of warming. But ignore history if you must, and believe in the priests of climatology. Perhaps the most limited science we have today, even below the soft science of psychology. For it looks like they know less about climate change than a shrink knows about a psychopath.
     
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    The changes in the tilt among other things is which causes the monsoons which then affects whether the Sahara is green or not. 7 million years of being a desert doesn't disprove the oscillations because 7 million years is a blink of an eye to earth's 4.5 billion year history.
     
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    and did man have anything to do with the sahara drying up?
     

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