To our right wing half man president. A shoe clerk by all standards.

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  1. jbander

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    Oh my, Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke’s daughter recently ripped Trump a new oneover his transgender military ban.


    Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke's daughter Jennifer Detlefsen, who is a Navy veteran, sharply criticized the proposal, calling the president a "disgrace," the Billings Gazette reported Friday. ….

    “This man is a disgrace. I've tried to keep politics out of my social media feed as much as possible, but this is inexcusable,” read her post on July 26, which still appeared online on Saturday.

    "This veteran says sit down and shut the **** up, you know-nothing, never-served piece of ****," she added.
    This person calls a spade a spade, It shows what a low level that the right have deteriorated to to select a , mentally troubled, evel, cruel hateful Piece oh **** Like small hands. The lowest level, the bottom rung on the bottom section of humanity.Nothing gets lower then this , **** and scum and puss is way above their level of humanity.

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    So the daughter of a little known politician insulted the president. What does this have to do with anything? Well, other than the lack of self-control that many people seem to have.
     
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    Self control, that's funny . calling a spade a spade is more like it . in real talk it's calling a scum bag a scum bag. . I love the idea that one of scum bags yes men that he has put in his government, has a daughter that knows the truth and is not just a scum bag yes man/women.
     
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    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Jennifer Detlefsen :roll:

    Another example of PC social engineering of the U.S. Navy, tax payers money down the crapper.

    Wannabe sailor Detlefsen couldn't even carry a P-250 pump down a ladder. In a real war, the ship would have sank because she couldn't perform the battle damage control procedures.
     
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    Yeah, I mean look at how many US Navy ships have sunk since women started serving on ships. Definitely a serious concern that makes this argument legimate and not at all sexist bullshit.
     
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    Or how many American sailors have died because female sailors couldn't perform the USN basic combat damage control procedures ?

    Do you remember Commander Kirk Lippold ?

    He was the captain of the USS Cole when Al Qaeda blew up the ship.

    During congressional hearings on the attack on the USS Cole, Cmdr. Lippold said he told every freaking thing the the Democrats wanted to hear on how the women sailors performed, but it was all lies.

    It only took one Republican Senator to end Cmdr. Lippold's naval career.


    https://books.google.com/books?id=K... combat damage control , pump carry&f=false
     
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    These hater hate everything. There is no positive comment that you can say around these pitifuls. They just hate , you feed them something in that category and they all high five each other . Thinking they have a point. They never do, they are simply telling you a hundred different ways on what and how they hate,
     
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    How does a study from the 80’s prove testimony from 2000 was a lie?
     
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    How many women on board the USS Cole? I know 2 of the casualties were women.
     
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    The U.S. Navy still uses the P-250 fire pump and the same kind of body stretcher and the the combat battle damage control procedures are still the same as they were during the 1980's.

    Ships don't have stairs but ladders to go up and down on to reach other decks. The P-250 fire pump weighs 66 lbs with no fuel. With fuel add another 7.5 lbs. Every sailor is required to be able to carry a P-250 pump up and down ladders.

    That's just half of the fun of getting the pump where it is needed. Next you have to start the 55 h.p. engine using a pull cord that over 90% of the female sailors can't do.

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    Above is the current USN P-250 pump that can run on JP-5 fuel for obvious reasons.

    USN BDC procedures require two P-250 pumps to fight a fire aboard a ship.

    Pump # 1 to suck water from the sea using really long 3" suction hoses to put on the fire.
    Pump # 2 to pump the water from the compartment that is flooding from water from pump # 1 back into the sea.
    Without pump #2 you could sink the ship with to much water.
     
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    And when the Cole was attacked only women were available to carry them right?
     
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    Ordinary Americans have the right to their opinion. Most people won't make excuses for Trump.
     
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    What I read and was told, two male sailors were able to carry body stretchers with the wounded to the ships infirmary.

    It required four female sailors or two female sailors and one male sailor to carry the body stretchers.

    No female sailor was capable of transporting the P-250 fire pumps where they were needed.
     
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    How many of the 300 sailors on the USS Cole were women?
     
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    You should no better Quester, it doesn't work that way in the U.S. military, well it's not suppose too. Everyone pulls their own weight.

    In the U.S. Marine Corps every Marine is a rifleman first.

    Since 1967 and the USS Forssestal fire ...every American sailor is a fireman first.

     
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    That's hard to say since women sailors are always coming and going, being removed from the ship's company at sea when they get pregnant.

    16% of the female sailors who are deployed to sea will never finish their cruise because they got knocked up of the U.S. Navy love boats.
     
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    What is there to excuse? Trump made the right call by reinstating the previous ban on people who have mental problems that prevent most of them from doing their job. If there was any other category of people who have a 50% chance to attempt suicide they would be banned from the military too. Who needs these unstable people carrying weapons?
     
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    The military already had a high rate of suicide long before Trump. Keeping people in the closet doesn't help..

    Trump should look after his own mental illness.
     
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    So you'd like to increase the rate of military suicides by adding a group that is mentally unstable? Sorry if you don't like it but Trump is commander in chief of the armed forces and it's his job to look out for them.
     
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    Do you have evidence that gays or transgenders are more unstable, or is that just another Trumpism?

    I think we have ALWAYS had gays and transgenders in America and in the military and they are probably healthier not having to pretend they are someone else.

    Are you religious, Tim?
     
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    Getting your willy cut off shows mental stability?
     
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    Not all transgenders have had sexual reassignment surgery. Do you object to them on religious grounds? Which civil rights would you deny them?
     
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    Yet another inane reach!

    She was a dive med tech and instructor. That means that carrying pumps was not part of her job description. If the Navy has not taken into allowance the capabilities of the assigned crew then that is a Navy problem.
     
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    Here is the difference however. I recognize this as simply an opinion. It is an opinion, but the daughter of a politician. And neither one of them is in the military. Therefore it is an unimportant opinion.

    Kind of like if say the daughter of an actress said the same thing, or the son of an actor. So what? It only seems to be important because that opinion happens to also be the opinion of the OP. Still does not make it true, nor even a military topic.

    And myself, I consider the people with Trump Derangement Syndrome to all be mentally unstable. Just like those with Obama Derangement Syndrome.

    But transgender is recognized as a legitimate mental disorder by the APA. This is not merely homosexuality, it is a mental disorder. And in or out of "the closet", they have an average suicide rate of 20%.

    That means that on average, 1 in 5 transgender who join the military will commit suicide. Yet for some strange political reason people are insisting that the military must accept them.

    That is pure politics, and nothing else but. And you know my opinion of politics and the military. And to me it makes about as much sense as demanding that the military accept others with mental diseases or illness.

    Sure, while we are at it let's force the military to accept autistics. The mentally retarded, Down Syndrome adults, and anybody that is bi-polar or with any kind of mania.

    Oh, and they have not found any change in the suicide rates by any action. In fact, some studies show that after surgery the suicide rate may actually increase. So then it makes even less sense to me.
     
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    According to the OP shoe clerks fly around in their own private jets.
     

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