Should we have a deal where we give citizenship to DACA people in exchange for funding for Trump's wall? I think its a good compromise. Both sides get what they want. Most Americans want DACA folks to get citizenship AND more border security, so its a win-win. what say you?
Schumer lied. The wall was not offered. He offered 10% of the wall. We know that they would never pay for the rest because Pelosi and Schumer never paid for the Pelosi/Schumer fence. Otherwise no, because of "chain-migration" and the immigration lottery. NO country in the world but the USA grants birthright citizenship, let alone illegal immigrant citizenship. However, eliminate "chain migration" and eliminate the immigration lottery? It would pass overwhelmingly as that is EXACTLY what President Trump said he would agree to. President Trump is on record as supporting DACA in exchange for: 1. No chain migration 2. No immigration lottery 3. The wall Schumer countered with: 1. Expanding chain migration to also granting citizen to "dreamers" relatives 2. Keeping the immigration lottery 3. Eliminating 90% of the wall. The Democrats openly wanted the government shutdown figuring Trump would be blamed on their non-stop lie that this never happened before when a president also had Congress and the lie that Republicans could pass it without Democrats on a simple majority. The Democrats will never agree to put up the money to actually build the wall, never give up on chain migration, not give up on immigration lottery, and will never give up on essentially having an open border.
The solution is simple. It is Trump's plan 1. No chain migration 2. No immigration lottery 3. The wall 4. Agree DACA - green cards and a path to citizenship to Dreamers If that bill was before Trump he'd sign it immediately. Democrats don't want DACA. They want a shutdown and to call Trump and Republicans racists. IF they agreed to that OBVIOUSLY CORRECT solution - as a stand alone legislation - the entire matter would be OVER and the Dreamers' Dream will have come true. But The Democrats in Congress don't give a damn about the Dreamers or their wish would have already been signed by President Trump. That legislation would pass the same day it was proposed.
I can't support any compromise that includes funding the wall. I wouldn't even accept a deal that funds the wall in exchange for president Trump's resignation. Nobody has managed to convince me that it's anything but a waste of time, money and effort.
Politico reported on Thursday that the deal would include $2.7 billion for additional border security, among that $1.6 billion for a border wall. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/a-tentative-daca-deal-in-the-senate/550346/ Democrats Say President Trump's Border Wall Could Cost $67 Billion http://time.com/4745350/donald-trump-border-wall-cost-billions/ You didn't REALLY care about proof anyway, did you?
Walls should be outlawed as they serve no purpose but a public symbol of racism, don't you think? Rather, what you want is federal police every 1000 feet ready 24/7 to rush out arresting people who step 1 foot over the border, with 10,000 video cameras, motion sensors and hundreds of military style drones patrolling the border. Then you might get lucky and someone gets killed in this astronomically costly and absurd plan, allowing you to rant that border patrol are NAZI murderers and racists. That is your plan, isn't it?
Schumer did not "offer the wall." His words: "I reluctantly put the border wall on the table for the discussion." That is not an "offer." http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...offered-to-discuss-wall-as-part-of-trump-deal President Trump's position is rational. He does not want non-budget items in budget votes as there is no limit then to every budget being snagged up as political grand standing. Won't agree to let in 10 million Muslim immigrants? Filibuster the budget. Won't agree to give PBS another $500 million? Filibuster the budget. Won't include a condemnation of Israel? Shut down the government or else agree. There is no end to that crap. It's a poker game the Democrats created as a huge gamble because the global super rich elites they work for and Democrat political tacticians told them to keep the cheap labor coming in to flood the job market and future socialist Democrat votes. If Congress passes a stand-alone bill with DACA, the wall, no chain-migration citizenship and ending the absurd immigration lottery its a done deal. Care to say what part of that you oppose? If you oppose it, stop pretending you care in the slightest about the "Dreamers." Their dream could come true tomorrow. But neither Democrats or Republicans in Congress want that because that's not what the global super rich and mega corporations they work for don't want. They want a massively flooded job market and to keep millions of cheap non-legal immigrants to prey upon for profit. You know that too, don't you? Both sides - whores for the super rich - no different from each other. They only give different reasons wanting the same result. This all is a grandstanding game of fake division.
I agree with you that it is a waste of time money and effort. But for me to oppose a compromise in which potential good can be seen, I have to see more of a downside to one element than the waste. That wall has to do some harm. Do you see actual harm to building that wall, other than the symbolic slap in the face of Mexico and the fact that Trump will do a little victory dance? By the way, if I could get Trump's resignation, I sure as hell would build that wall myself!
It's a pure and obvious boondoggle from the get/go the biggest source of payoffs to shady contractors yet conceived, no wonder Trump wants full funding from the beginning. In years to come the greatest monument to corruption, bigotry and greed ever constructed, our most obvious shame. OTOH why NOT give ti to him? He'll lose interest (or be impeached ) in a few months and the remnants will stand as an object lesson to us all DON'T ****ING ELECT REPUBLICANS
Trump demanded a certain amount of money for the wall. Schumer agreed. .....then Trump changed his mind.
Actually Shumer only offered 10% what Trump was asking for the wall. Shumer is a liar. If you remember around 12:30 am Saturday morning after Shumer gave his pre written response he was asked by a journalist how much did he (Schumer) offered President Trump and Schumer refused to answer the question and moved on blaming Trump.
I support something much more important. Right now, the kids of immigrants get all they need, if they are using the government subsidies as they are offered to them. DACA isn't and never has been important. It would be better to have a way to fine businesses heavily for hiring them. If the supply line to those jobs is cut off first, all the rest of this will have teeth, if the rule of law is upheld. DACA skirts the rule of law, making it legal to break the law until they can figure out what to do. Any of you have a misdemeanor and not get a break? Illegal immigration is a federal offense, not a misdemeanor. When you commit a crime with that kind of weight, you are not allowed to vote ever again. Guess what? They vote and aren't even citizens! No, the wall or anything for that matter is a huge waste of money, unless we have a country which believes in and upholds the laws of our land within the system of justice. Had to pay that speeding ticket? Why? It's not a federal offense. Wouldn't it be better to spend that money shoring up your social security and giving medicare to all citizens?
Build the wall. Physically, electronically, 360 degrees with rapid return to the other side of border violators. AND Reagan Amnesty everyone inside with no police record and evidence of being a productive resident. I just cannot accept some family father, wage earner, for decades gets deported. It is absurd.
