Should schools teach students how not to be killed by police?

No one protects me from these things.
I call the police and they don't come.

I protect myself and my family.
If I need extra help I hire security.

Been there seen it done it. Got the T shirt.

If my friends need help with these things, they call me.


Policeman is looking for an easy target to fleece. Speeding ticket. Parking ticket.
No use to me at all.
Roscoe P Coltraine.
More likely to arrest me than to help me.
No faith, no confidence and no trust.

Socially excluded. Them and us.

 

Some of what you say is true, unfortunately. I think we've all experienced the huge disappointment of calling 911, listening to the phone ring about ten times, and then getting rolled over to a recorded message where we're invited to leave a f*cking message!

But, most often you get a 911 operator, and when you tell them that a potentially deadly crime is under way, especially if it's a "shots fired" situation, they usually get police officers to your location very quickly!

Aside from that, you should buy weapons you are comfortable with, develop proficiency with them at a legal firing range, and probably get a concealed-carry permit that is valid for your state. You don't have to live in fear and terror because of criminals -- but don't despise or hamper the very police force that is trying so hard to protect your life and property!

 

They aren't trying to protect me and my property at all.
I am unable to hamper them in this because they aren't interested in doing it.
I was targeted by thieves for about 10 years. I dialled 999 to begin with.
In the end, I stopped.
Just don't waste my time with that any more.
Comically the thieves on the other hand, called the police and had me arrested so that they could rob me in safety. Which they then did.
Astoundingly, during my arrest! Right under the cops noses.
Oh yeah. While they were inside my house being made cups of tea and arresting me, my car in the drive was being looted by those who called the police on me You couldn't make that **** up..
No use to me. Safer and better protected without them.


Concealed carry?
Balls to that. If you are going to a gunfight, sure, take a gun. Otherwise, leave it where you need it.
Where you have something worth taking a life to protect.

In my country if you want the police to come, it is normal to lie. We are taught to say "I saw a gun".

 

You just supported my point all by yourself and don't even realize it. Plea bargains are one the most abhorrent, unconstitutional, banana republic type of pretend justice mechanisms there is. They are the mechanism by which an accused is forced to waive ALL of his/her constitutionally protected rights under threat of a draconian sentence if one wants to exercise rights protected by the Constitution (demanding a trial for example). It makes no difference if one has actually committed a crime or not, most go for the plea bargain. The result is that many innocent people are incarcerated or otherwise permanently destroyed or that those who have truly committed crimes may be given lighter sentences. Where's the justice in that?

You call a revolution the rule of law? Most call it treason and definitely anarchy.

In order to carry out a revolution against the governing power.

 

You claimed prison sentences are long so prisons can make money. Plea bargaining for shorter terms disproves that. When America's founders revolted against the crown it did so in a way that was the exact opposite of anarchy. They formed a new government before a shot was fired. Treason yes, anarchy no.

 

Who wants the rule of law when I have to teach my children how not to be shot by my government.
Er. No thanks.
I'll pass.

You keep your laws, I'll keep my kids away from your law enforcers.

 

I wish I could send you my cousins bar mitzvah speech. He is an atheist and tells why. The rabbi at the end explained how Jews are encouraged to question and hopefully one day he will believe and if not that is his prerogative

 

If you’re white, no need to worry

 

I agree with this in part. If you suspect your kids might end up on the 'wrong end' of the law .. or be in company with those who might be .. fair enough. For everyone else, the only contact they're ever likely to have (as a 'suspect') is a random breath test. And since police carrying out RBTs are invariably polite and efficient, there is no need for any 'en garde' or similar.

 

I am white. Mrs Baff isn't.

 

You're seeing a lot of Chinese and Indian Americans 'persecuted' by police, are you?

 

Kids will be kids.
You have to have a reasonable expectation of them to make mistakes.

Frankly the same is still true to a lesser extent with adults.

I need to be able to trust my police not to treat them as responsible adults.
To recognise that they aren't expected to understand the rammifications of their actions or necessarily to even recognise when they are engaged in wrong doing.

In my mind when I am writing all this is a news story about a child in a playground shot dead with a toy gun in his hand. I grew up with toy guns in my hand. It's as wrong as wrong thing. Life could get no wronger than this. Killed by the people we paid to protect him. Infanticide. A life more precious taken by a life less precious. Innocence cowardly murdered in the name of heroic justice. **** me that sucks bad.

 

That's correct, many are.

No it doesn't disprove anything, even the sentences under plea bargains are much too long in many cases. Some are too short as well. Then there are lengthy probation periods, all designed for profit. Under probation, drug addicts are returned to prison if they turn up hot, it's a revolving door. They fully expect them to violate unreasonable probation restrictions. It's all designed to keep those in the criminal justice system within it as long as possible.

That's anarchy. The failure to recognize the existing form of government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy

It's both.

 

On the contrary, I think it's most unreasonable to 'expect' your kids to make mistakes. That's like expecting them to get drunk as soon as they reach their late teens, or do drugs, or to have sex at age 15.

 

Why was a child alone in a park, without parental supervision? Waving a toy gun around?

If we refuse to see the problem ... we won't like the answer.

Police have this and more to contend with, without having the time to study the minutia of the situation. As far as they know, all such people pose a threat to innocent bystanders. Their (very difficult, given the sort of social decay which produces a threatening streetscape) job is to serve and protect.

 

hahahahaha - what a laugh!

 

Philando Castile's little girl was sitting in the back seat - according to the cop's defender, Philando deliberately provoked the cop into shooting and just missing the little girl

 

So you don't think this implies all police.

These are just SOME of the ones that have been documented. Many (the vast majority) are not documented because police often destroy or suppress evidence of their crimes or the police decide for themselves what constitutes police brutality (the fox watching the hen house):

 

That is true. To this day NYC police have not revealed videos of the criminal white cops torturing those five innocent black men in the so called Wilding incident. Those criminal cops should hang for their crimes.

 

No.

 

He explained why he's an atheist during his bar mitzvah speech? Then why on earth would he have agreed to be bar mitzvah'd?

Reasonable teachers/rabbis always encourage questions but I was always taught never to question god or the existence of god way back in the day. Perhaps things have changed. I wouldn't know since I don't associate with the religious these days.

 

I repeat, the founders were not anarchist. The very first thing they did was establish a new government. They established a Congress, formed an army and appointed Washington to lead it. The rest of your post is nothing but wack job conspiracy nonsense.

From your link

"Anarchy is the condition of a society, entity, group of people, or a single person that rejects hierarchy.[1][2] The word originally meant leaderlessness, but in 1840 Pierre-Joseph Proudhon adopted the term in his treatise What Is Property? to refer to a new political philosophy: anarchism, which advocates stateless societies based on voluntary associations. In practical terms, anarchy can refer to the curtailment or abolition of traditional forms of government and institutions. It can also designate a nation (or anywhere on earth that is inhabited) that has no system of government or central rule."

 

If you don't it in included all police then why did you remove your statement from the reply?

 

That was not my quote it was Bob0627. I was saying he (and you it seems) was placing all police in the same box as a small minority of them. Try to imagine what life would be like if we didn't have any police. Maybe instead of trying to paint all police with the same brush you should be trying to figure out a way to find the bad ones before they join the department.

 

You can repeat your false claim as often as you want, it doesn't make it true.

From out of nowhere? Are you attempting to create a new history for yourself? There were many acts of insurrection before any of that happened (e.g. the Boston Tea Party).

That's it, because you disagree and seem desperate to re-define the word "anarchy", anything else is "wack job conspiracy nonsense", a standard get out of jail free card for those who disagree. In fact the American revolution was a conspiracy to overthrow the existing government, and that's a historical FACT even if you want to add the words "wack job" and "nonsense" for flavoring.

Exactly, you don't even understand what you quote. Anarchy is ANY of the above.