Right, but these are humans. Military, law enforcement, Microsoft, Starbucks...all employ PEOPLE. Not machines that are all programmed to be perfect. Bad apples in any profession will be exposed. **** happens
I'm not sure why you're being an apologist for police crimes. Do you have a personal stake in defending police crimes? And what constitutes a "Very VERY small percentage" to you? On what are you basing your unstated percentage since many police crimes go unreported? For me any police crime is too much, especially given their position. Whole police departments have been investigated for corruption, is that too small for you or maybe you never heard of such facts? Don't underexaggerate. You have no real clue. Police corruption is a significant problem no matter the number. It adversely affects lives permanently. There's no good reason to try to sweep it under the rug or marginalize it. Then quit discussing the issue if you believe anything that contradicts your (mostly unsupported) claims is "irrational". Recording these interrogations doesn't make interrogations less biased, especially when they're all biased to begin with (as already explained). How do you know they're "all" recorded? How do you know none of the recordings are doctored? You just make this up as you go, assuming for the purpose of defending police crimes? I heard one specific recording (a few years ago) of an "interrogation" that was not recorded by police interrogators (his cell phone was left on recording the event). I heard a lot of threats made by the interrogators (with regard to the victim's wife) and screaming by the victim. He sued for police brutality and used the recording in his lawsuit.
As bizarre as it sounds, it happens. People respond to stress differently, and many people are low IQ or are not well emotionally developed. That happens much more often than people think. Spousal abuse is a huge problem with police, that is largely covered up by the police. I remember riding with my then-girlfriend in a car driven by her father, who was a Cincinnati cop. He was driving down Columbia Parkway doing over 70 MPH in 35 MPH zone, when lights and sirens came up behind us. He pulled over, and the over the loud-speaker I heard, "Bill King! You *******!" and then the police cruiser sped off. It's a valid interrogation technique. I recently saw a taped police interrogation, in which the police lied and told the suspect they had his fingerprints, and blurted out, "No way! I was wearing gloves." They knew they had the right guy.
To be fair, some of it probably stems from job stress. Police see a lot of bad things in their line of work. Anyway, one of the reasons it gets covered up by other police is stupid laws in many states that will take away the right to have a gun from anyone convicted of even the most minor domestic violence offense. This would effectively spell the end of an officer's career. I don't blame them for covering it up.
But yet there is news of corruption by whole police forces, perhaps not every day, but often enough. Not often enough for you though I presume, I can only speak for myself. 2 Baltimore detectives convicted of racketeering, robbery BALTIMORE (AP) — Two Baltimore police detectives were convicted of robbery, racketeering, and conspiracy Monday in a trial that's part of an ongoing federal investigation into corruption among rogue members of the city's beleaguered police force. After the jury foreman read the verdict following two days of deliberations, Detectives Daniel Hersl and Marcus Taylor were shackled and led out of U.S. District Court in Baltimore. Some of Hersl's relatives burst into tears, while one of his victims called out: "Justice." The two detectives were each convicted of racketeering conspiracy, racketeering and robbery under the federal Hobbs Act, which prohibits interference with interstate commerce. They face up to 20 years on each count, for a total of 60 years. On Monday evening, acting U.S. Attorney Stephen Schenning said he was hopeful that the police corruption case "will begin a long difficult process of examining how" the Baltimore force polices its own. "We hope that police officers live up to the honor and privilege of the badge," Schenning said on the courthouse steps. The trial was dominated by four ex-detectives who testified that the police department's elite Gun Trace Task Force was actually made up of thugs with badges who stole cash, resold looted narcotics and lied under oath to cover their tracks. They detailed acts of astonishing police criminality, including armed home invasions, stretching back to 2008. Acting Police Commissioner Darryl DeSousa said in a statement immediately after the verdict that the department will move to fire Hersl and Taylor, who have been suspended without pay since being indicted and arrested in March. "We recognize that this indictment and subsequent trial uncovered some of the most egregious and despicable acts ever perpetrated in law enforcement," DeSousa said. Read the rest ... https://www.yahoo.com/news/2-baltimore-detectives-convicted-racketeering-robbery-224948008.html
I was an IRS agent for many years. This job is just as if not more stressful than being a cop. Never once did I ever frame any innocent for a crime they never committed. Nor did I have any interest in doing so.
Only in certain neighborhoods. And I don't want to live in any of those neighborhoods. Detroit, Chicago, L.A. to some extent, Long Island... hmm, did I miss any? certain parts of rural Arkansas, Georgia, Miami-Dade county also have some issues
Exactly. So you agree then that there is corruption by several whole police forces, contradicting another poster's attempt to marginalize the problem.
That happens to a very tiny portion of police officers/departments. Much like there are bad apples in every profession. You're extremely paranoid
There you go again, "tiny", "very, very small". Do you have a personal problem? It seems you're hell bent on marginalizing the problem despite the enormous amount of evidence that contradicts you. No, I'm a realist, unlike you who insists on wearing blinders.
Of course I'm marginalizing your fears. It's like .0009% of law enforcement officers in question. Meanwhile, every other hard working LEO is doing their job right without recognition from people like you
I'm still waiting for hear from forum right wingers about what to do with those white cops who forced the Wilding innocents to confess to a crime they never committed. Hey right wingers - why the silence???
If you insist on inventing numbers from thin air, denying the facts and remaining willfully ignorant that's your problem. I don't personally care other than people like you are part of the reason why corruption is rampant throughout government. That won't change unless and until the majority acknowledge there is a problem, via education, something you're obviously not interested in because denial is your MO. This thread is NOT about recognition of police who do their jobs, it's about just the opposite. If you want to start a thread praising police, you are free to do so, otherwise you're in the wrong thread.
This is a thread about false confessions. A situation that's extremely rare. You're trying to make it out to be this massive problem where it's happening all the time.
Correct so stick to the topic. False confessions are extracted because of corrupt and/or incompetent police or a failed system. You have zero clue about often it takes place and your made up statistics are not welcome. I never said it's happening all the time, you invented that the same as your unsupported claim that it's "extremely rare". I have no idea how often it takes place and I doubt anyone does. How often it takes place is NOT the topic of this thread nor am I making it out to be anything than what it is. The problem exists, it's a fact. And it certainly is a massive problem regardless of your opinion because it destroys lives and that is the issue being discussed in this thread. Any destroyed innocent life is a massive problem. If you have no intention of discussing this issue, like I said, leave and start your own thread praising the police.
Agree 100%. It is so sad that forum right wingers love injustices so much that they are willing to excuse every crime committed by cops. Of course, if they had been the victims of such crimes they would not be so apologetic for those criminals.
You're the conspiracy theorist and you're telling me to stay on topic? False confessions STEM FROM POLICE and the SUSPECT. That's why we're discussing police. Cut the bullshit about "start your own thread about police". Who the hell do you think is giving the interrogation. Just because your theory was proven completely useless doesn't mean anything else is 'off topic'.
Yes. Within the context of false confessions. Cut the bullshit quoting out of context. This is the correct quote: Police, in this case. That's what this discussion is about, pay attention and stick to the topic. I don't have any theory that "was proven completely useless" and you are still off topic.
Nope, you're just upset that I showed you how useless this topic is. False confessions per questioning is exponentially smaller than this thread is leaning toward. But you, being a conspiracy theorist, take something really small and examine it past the point of no return. False confessions are also not always the fault of any officer. Sometimes the person questioned has a panic attack, blacks out, and just says ****.
Off topic. You still don't understand what the thread topic is. Try a dictionary and see if it helps. That's called an ad hominem (and off topic), no one said false confessions are always the fault of any officer. (somewhat on topic - finally) How do you figure a person who blacks out is able to say anything? But if an awake person (who is having a "panic attack") says **** during questioning, that would be a false confession. And if that happens, what do you figure the cause of that is? Right, the police causing the panic attack (a person put under stress). If the person is not saying **** and telling the truth, then it's not a false confession and that is not part of this discussion, correct? Never mind, based on your nonsense so far, you wouldn't know, so I'll just leave it as rhetorical.
You keep saying "off topic" and forget what the thread title is "false confessions". There's a reason you aren't a moderator here.
You just can't stay on topic, can you? Even when you are somewhat on topic (as explained in my prior post), you can't even respond to one single point I made. I didn't forget anything, I'm the one who keeps reminding you of the topic and the above is off topic. No that's not the reason and that's also off topic. If I were a moderator, you'd have been booted from the thread long ago.
