And those women are the ones least likely to die since they have the resources to get an abortion in an enlightened , intelligent country. But do you really think Repubs will care if women die? Their whole purpose is to punish women who have sex. ....why would a woman, or many women, dying affect them??
Will it? If women's rights are destroyed and they are forced to become nothing more than gestating slaves will anyone CARE if they die? If the US sinks to that sick level of misogyny where women are nothing more than cattle WILL anyone care ? Or DARE to care? A country that places so little value on 50% of their citizens surely won't care if a few of those worthless people die... No, if the US sinks to the level of a religious theocracy, like Anti-Choicers want, even those women's children and family will not be able to do a thing...
I have and I have my interpretation Obviously your interpretation is different https://www.huffingtonpost.com/rick...-the-bible-says-and-doesnt-say_b_1856049.html
That option is there and has been there and most women know about it. They do NOT need a forced lecture on giving up their kid. They may not feel like giving up 9 months of their life, suffering the pain and damage (temporary and PERMANENT) of pregnancy, suffer the financial, career, and educational set backs, possible job loss, time off work...just to give someone else a kid...sounds Really Stupid to me... Again(and again and again) WHO pays for all those "test tube babies" ????? The reluctant Republican tax payers who want funding cut to every entity that aids children ? WHO? Why should abortion be reduced? If the number of women who want one equals the number of women who have one then all is fair and right....the sign of living in a free country not run by religious misogynists...[/QUOTE]
FoxHastings said: ↑ Their whole purpose is to punish women who have sex. Why would else would the Anti-Choice faction make an exception if the pregnancy is due to rape? Why else would the Anti-Choice faction want to take away women's right to their own bodies? Why else would the Anti-Choice faction want to control women like cattle? Why else would the Anti-Choice faction want to ban abortion? If abortion is banned women who have them will be PUNISHED.
I think you underestimate one of the most powerful, devious, brutal and capable forces in America....if not the world, You hint at and even mention it in your commentary and it is already changing the world and this country even though it is barely started. The Dragon has been poked one too many times and is pissed it woke up.
It has been explained to you. More than once. And by me. Yet you choose to ignore it. Why? The rape exception is due to the simple fact that A) pregnancy due to rape is extremely rare so abortions performed because of that are also extremely rare. B) without the rape exception it is impossible to get a more general level of support for opposing abortion. Why do you refuse to believe that most (I'm pretty certain) anti abortion people consider abortions to be the immoral destruction of human life? Once again, if one really wanted to "punish women for having sex" why not support the reinstitution of laws that were not too long ago widespread that in fact made sexual relations outside of marriage illegal? My grandfather (mothers side) was a minister. My mom could remember several times back in the 1930s and 40s when the sheriff would bring a couple by their house and announce "Preacher. These young people want to get married! And my grandfather of course then conducting the wedding ceremony. The upshot being that the couple had been caught living together or simply having sex and the sheriff was forcing them to be legally married.
FoxHastings said: ↑ Will it? If women's rights are destroyed and they are forced to become nothing more than gestating slaves will anyone CARE if they die? If the US sinks to that sick level of misogyny where women are nothing more than cattle WILL anyone care ? Or DARE to care? A country that places so little value on 50% of their citizens surely won't care if a few of those worthless people die... No, if the US sinks to the level of a religious theocracy, like Anti-Choicers want, even those women's children and family will not be able to do a thing... Who is it that I'm underestimating? Who is the "Dragon" ? Hopefully it's women who are against abortion waking up to the fact that a loss of rights is a ...loss of rights.
FoxHastings said: ↑ Their whole purpose is to punish women who have sex. Why would else would the Anti-Choice faction make an exception if the pregnancy is due to rape? Why else would the Anti-Choice faction want to take away women's right to their own bodies? Why else would the Anti-Choice faction want to control women like cattle? Why else would the Anti-Choice faction want to ban abortion? If abortion is banned women who have them will be PUNISHED. Rarity has NOTHING to do with it. It exists. And it isn't "rare" if it's YOU carrying the rapist's fetus. Don't ALL fetuses have a "Right to Life" ? BINGO! Anti-Choicers are willing to be HYPOCRITS if it furthers their agenda to punish women for having sex. Because they do NOT give a damn about the WOMAN'S human life. WOMEN are HUMAN LIFE, TOO! AND one person's "morals" should not define law. YUP, and if abortion is banned and women lose their rights that WILL be the next thing religious freaks try for! . I was going to say that cute little anecdote was irrelevant but it isn't really.....it will come to that if Anti-Choicers get their way....so many unhappy marriages forced upon people just like they were slaves or cattle.......
Women are the gender majority and pissed....they will shortly begin to get nasty and God Help Us All! The world will become a better place and religion will fade into history, thus Pro Life dies its whimpering death.
"morals" have always defined laws. They are pretty much what almost all law is based on in western nations.
I hope you are correct.....I have seen that video, but who else has? And would Anti-Choicers care??? I AM writing my Senator and asking why Democrats don't get out ahead of this onslaught and start challenging Anti-Choicers, and make NOISE about abortion instead of always just giving a wimpering defense as an afterthought.
Rarity has NOTHING to do with it. It exists. And it isn't "rare" if it's YOU carrying the rapist's fetus. Don't ALL fetuses have a "Right to Life" ? DAYTON3 """""B) without the rape exception it is impossible to get a more general level of support for opposing abortion.""""" BINGO! Anti-Choicers are willing to be HYPOCRITS if it furthers their agenda to punish women for having sex. DAYTON3 :""""Why do you refuse to believe that most (I'm pretty certain) anti abortion people consider abortions to be the immoral destruction of human life?""" Because they do NOT give a damn about the WOMAN'S human life. WOMEN are HUMAN LIFE, TOO! AND one person's "morals" should not define law. YUP, and if abortion is banned and women lose their rights that WILL be the next thing religious freaks try for! ... . I was going to say that cute little anecdote was irrelevant but it isn't really.....it will come to that if Anti-Choicers get their way....so many unhappy marriages forced upon people just like they were slaves or cattle....... NOPE, I'm not going to address your question until you can address my ENTIRE post....besides the question is asinine...
NO, since morals vary from person to person they do NOT make law....laws are made based on keeping society safe from chaos.. YOUR morals are NOT everyones' and YOU do NOT get to decide what is moral or not...
Good lord! How you denigrate what women do to produce a kid! Does downplaying their sacrifice make you feel beytter??? They may not feel like giving up 9 months of their life, suffering the pain and damage (temporary and PERMANENT) of pregnancy, suffer the financial, career, and educational set backs, possible job loss, time off work...just to give someone else a kid... That may be nothing to YOU .....but that doesn't count
I won't address your "entire post" until you put it into a more compact easy to read on a single page form. Adding all that space is a needless distraction.
2018-20 are likely to be a watershed period in this country developing from a Dem wave to a womans political invasion of our system over a decade or so. I anticipate a VERY different society within 30 years making white Christian male dominance an interesting chapter in history books...we could even call it a revolution. This is already in place outside the U.S. in western cultures to some extent and seems to be awaiting our push over an edge. I would not e surprised to see a female President here shortly, SCOTUS will follow suit.
I hope so, we need to stop using logic when we make decisions and use emotions. We can figure out the logic later.