13 Russian Nationals indicted...and you think there was no meddling?

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  1. Balto

    Balto Well-Known Member

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    A powerful blow to the people who have claimed Russians had nothing to do with the 2016 election today. The dots are beginning to connect. How did they meddle? Well, from the intelligence agency the Russians had Mueller has quotes and other information to now, it was social media. Not only that, but arranged payments to US Citizens who would dress up as Clinton, hold and attend rallies. The operation cost millions each month, with Russians taking out Anti-Clinton ads, pasting them wherever and whenever. A Russian Facebook Page, SecuredBorders, was criticized for having not only very few posts, but the material those few posts contained were Anti-Clinton. It’s important to remember a great majority of people get their news from social media outlets like Facebook, so Russians posing as Americans on Facebook pages where some real Americans get the majority of their information from, yeah....I’d be pi$$ed too if I had been lured into believing in that effective propaganda.

    A question I have is this: How did Mueller get this information? Enough information to indict 13 Russian nationals that will never be in a US courtroom? My guess is it’s Michael Flynn’s cooperation, since Flynn was often in touch with the Russians.

    This proves Russians did meddle in the election. We, the left of center, were right after all.
     
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    What is the big deal here? The US does exactly the same thing where other major countries' elections are concerned ffs! Bloody hell, 'Oxfam' the 'FBI' unbelievably another 'Russian connection story' - there's so much crap going around I'm beginning to think my brain has been hacked!
     
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    To me, the bigger story in the indictment is why they did it. Russia's goal was to sow discord in America and to undermine our confidence in the election system.

    I think they've succeeded.

    Now it's up to us to fight it.

    If we don't, they win.
     
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    Mueller also claimed not one vote was affected.....lolz!
     
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    Pure garbage. Muellers indictment is ANOTHER Russian dossier! It is a collection of ALLEGATIONS, yet to be VERIFIED by the EVIDENCE that hasn't been revealed. Forgive my skepticism, but Mueller & Rosenstein need to come out with it. How many Facebook posts, what were their exact nature, shared by how many? Define "organized" rallies. Potential attendees were invited, or compensated? It's taken more than a year to debunk the Steele dossier, and determine who and what was behind it. Another leap of faith? I didn't jump the 1st time! Just another parlor trick until I see some PROOF.
     
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    To me, the bigger story is if they did it. And if they did so bloody what - you do?? 'Now it's up to us to fight it. If we don't fight it they win' - sounds like something you hear in a school playground FFS!! :wall: Say something often enough . . . '!
    READ MY LIPS - RUSSIA ISN'T YOUR ENEMY, GLOBAL JIHAD IS!! WAKE UP AND SMELL IT BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE FGS!!
     
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    LOL, 1.5 year long liberal/MSM Trump's collusion, conspiracy, treason etc hysteria fell apart yesterday like a house of cards that it had always been when Mueller/Rosenstein declared that no Americans were knowingly involved, that Putin played both sides, trolling for Bernie and setting anti-Trump rallies among other things, that Putin's goal was to sow discord in the US and when it became clear that the libs and the media were more than happy to oblige and carry Putin's water....

    This childish spin that "the left was right after all" coming from people who spent the last year lying, smearing, criminally slandering Trump, his family, his administration and his supporters is a tad absurd.
     
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    I'll go further, and say it's a form of insanity.
     
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    If anything happened yesterday, it confirmed what leftists have been saying. Russians interfered in the election, and now that it’s been confirmed, it can no longer be labeled a conspiracy. What I’m curious to know is what info these nationals knew. And what people on a certain campaign they worked with. Fact is dude, yesterday confirms we were right. Our investigation is yielding more results than your Benghazi charade you guys played for three years, and there were easier fish to catch in that case.

    The butthurt is noted.
     
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    We now know the Russians got involved in the election campaigning. Is this the first time? Are they the only country doing this? The answer to both questions is -- probably not. We also know their meddling did not change a single vote or influence the outcome of the election -- Trump won fair and square. 30 states out of 50 is a significant win. Now if the media would give Trump an honest shake his likable numbers would jump to 75%. But I won't hold my breath.
     
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    Well, I'm glad that is settled. Thanks Putin...your words are beacons of truth and I'm sure that the jerwkad in chief will be confirming them momentarily.
     
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    Let's dispel the notion that Mueller said that no votes were affected - that is a lie. Mueller made it very clear (if you were listening) that he made no judgment at this time one way or another. Who did they work with on the campaign? I suspect we'll learn that soon once they rush forward for a deal. You can bet the connections have been established. You want proof? You have it, you just hate it. How sad, this kicks Trump's "hoax" theory to the curb. Mueller is known for honesty, integrity, and investigative competence, most legal minds (outside alt-right web sites) have expressed admiration for the work.

    This is Mueller's opening salvo. If you think it's the end you are sorely mistaken. Mueller is working up the org. chart. Think about that.
     
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    But also to keep Hillary from being elected and help the buffoon they favored. The question is.......why did they favor Don?
     
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    Mueller is going to pay their airfare and the Perpaganda Thirteen are going to show up for their trials in Swamptown, and get convicted, and get put in the pokey.

    That will really scare the hell out of the Russians and they won't try to hack the mid-terms.:roflol:

    Meanwhile all the computer experts and hackers in all 17 government intelligence agencies have no idea what to do about it.

    And these 17 US intelligence agencies do not attempt to influence any foreign elections or tap into the phone calls of heads of state like Mama Merkel.
     
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    I don’t recollect many people denying Russians may have been behind fake news articles, Facebook posts, and memes. People were denying trump being behind it or to the extent it might have been effective. The video of Hillary getting hurled into that van like a sack of dirty wash was more damaging than anything Russia did. IMO.
     
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    It custom-made, 'twas a High Van De Ville
    With a V-12 motor and some hideaway wings
    Push in on the button and you can hear her sing
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    Lee, they also favored Bernie.

    We need to learn from this. Their goal was to foment a toxic atmosphere in our government and in our people, to paralyze us and to weaken us. This would have been their goal no matter who was elected. No, they didn't like Hillary, but their goal would have remained the same regardless. We need to give them credit. They are smart enough to see a larger objective than just who becomes president. We are programmed in this country to see politics in terms of 4 years at a time. They are not. They can afford to be patient and see things in the long term.

    If we do not take this opportunity to see what they are trying to do to us, we lose.

    This is a wake up call to all of us.
     
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    No, you were wrong! The left wing news media has been touting the false narrative of Russian collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians! Now we find out that these Russians orchestrated both pro Trump and anti Trump protests in numerous cities in the U.S. and Facebook was their useful idiot! So, the only evidence of any collusion in the 2016 election was between the Clinton campaign/DNC, Fusion GPS and Christopher Steel with Russian mobsters! As for General Flynn, we'll see if his indictment will hold up, since FISA warrants were improperly obtained by the FBI, who lied to and withheld information from the FISA judge! The Inspector General hasn't released his report yet and if I were the democrats I would be worried because this whole Russian farce is going to blow up in their face!
     
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    No collusion dude, no americans involved, buthurt indeed as it means no indictment , no impeachment, it's President Trump till at least 2020. That's the only thing that mattered to the media and the libs and it's a catastrophic FAIL

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    Meddling? YES

    Influencing the election? NO
     
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    Americans involved.Keep up

    And Trump has denied this many times.

    For instance

    Nov. 13, 2017
    Trump said he spoke with Russian President Vladimir Putin and that he had assured Trump that there was no interference in the campaign.

    "I asked him again," Trump told reporters on a flight to Hanoi. "You can only ask so many times... He said he absolutely did not meddle in our election. He did not do what they are saying he did.

    "I really believe that when he tells me that, he means it... I think he's very insulted, if you want to know the truth,"
     
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    We know they absolutely had a massive investment in this attack. We know that Trump retweeted Russian agitprop (and he has MILLIONS of followers)

    We know that Trump won an unlikely victory

    A Victory determined by just 80,000 votes spread across 4 states.

    We know that Cambridge Analytica helped TARGET those ads for maximum effect
     
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    Do we also ban any propaganda?
     
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    Hold the phone.... You telling me there are trolls on the internet... From other country's? I bet China has a ton of trolls and the only reason we haven't heard of them is because they support the Democrat international party. If Chinese trolls supported Republicans they would be outed.

    People who want to control speech are far more dangerous than people who say the things they want controlled.
     
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    Interesting spin.

    Difficult to sell outside the never Trump bubble, since it crashes into what the indictment alleges happened.
     
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