Aren't you a little bit embarassed?

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by papabear, Feb 22, 2018.

  1. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

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    Let me get this straight. You believe if we restict internet access and social media access for several hours every day that will reduce gun deaths. Is that accurate?
     
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    Lets discuss. A question is on the floor
     
  3. papabear

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    He is shouting Gun Control as a solution to the problem.

    You may be right that their is a myriad of reasons with some more predominant then others from social media, mental illness, family issues, education system, satan whatever reason you want to argue, as to why people choose to go on these rampages. That is fine, but correct me if I am wrong the gun control argument essentially is, whatever the reason that someone has possessed the will to arm themselves to the teeth and mow down lots of people, we should enforce rules that stop people from being able to get the guns / weapons to arm themselves to the teeth and mow people down. I.e. if you want to go down that path find another weapon of choice (i.e. a truck).

    That in itself, does not prevent you from also discussing the causes and how to assist people so they do not get into the mind frame of wanting to commit mass murder and potential governmental / society changes that assist everyone in helping eachother with sound mental health (and not going crazy).
     
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    So I will shout "More guns. The solution to the problem".
     
  5. Vegas giants

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    Shout away. No one can stop you. LOL
     
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    I thought thats what your people have been shouting for decades!

    Remember that graph everyone likes to post showing americans getting more and more guns and crime going down.

    Problem is mass shootings isnt following that same trend.
     
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    You are over simplifying but basically yes. Here's the thing though. Historical evidence proves out that the gun has not changed in over 100 years. The first semi-auto was well over 100 years ago, but the 1911 pistol was by far the most popular. If the gun has not changed that clearly means that people have, which means that the problem is people, not guns. Instead of addressing the people issue though, people like VT and most of the Democratic politicians in the US keep shouting gun control, and refuse to see any other possible cause and therefore and other possible solution.
     
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    So your country must prove a solution works before considering implementing a change which may lose a corporation some money?

    Really? Surely the hypothetically best country on earth is not run that way?
     
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    Perhaps, my gut is that social media is a distraction for people. Take it away and people who are going to do bad **** will do even more bad ****.

    That said the people doing good **** will be less distracted too, like me and this forum right now.
     
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    Can FB kill 17 people in the space of a minutes?
     
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    So how do you stop all of that, short term?
     
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    I don't think their is any argument against what you are saying.

    A gun was not inherently evil 100 years ago and it isn't now. Its just more people are floating around shooting people on mass with them now then what they used to.

    The solution that worked for australia was making guns less accessible, it will not 100% solve your problem, and it won't in any way deal with the root cause being crazy people (those people will still be very crazy). It will however, if it is enforced, hopefully limit the amount of crazies get their hands on guns and how much damage those crazies can then do.

    But 100% yes your society and every society should be working on our mental health and the root cause being some deeply messed up people.
     
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    No guns. Crazy people aplenty, but no guns to go crazy with.
     
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    The point is this......you can't have evidence that something works until you try it...wouldn't you agree, since until you try it, it is simply theory. The people that will only chant gun control will never let us try anything. Let's say that behavioral scientists come together and determine that indeed social media is a large cause of the increased violence factor in our youth. Do you really think that Facebook will let anything happen that affects their profit margin?
     
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    The what?
     
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    Yeah I just think this is all a distraction from the stuff we know that works. Why are we wasting time on everything other than what works?
     
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    Based upon studies that indicate the amount of media our kids are consuming shows and increase in their violence, is it really a stretch to think it might help lesson.....violence, even gun violence.
     
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    No, because they don't have guns ... and more importantly, don't want them.
     
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    We are the land of the crazy!!
     
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    You honestly think we can restrict social media for several hours a day in a democracy?
     
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    So might banning of junk food, and rap music. But neither of those things can kill 17 people in the space of minutes.
     
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    Crazy upon crazy, with a side of crazy.
     
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    It is also not a personal thing against guns.

    If a hypothetical country was having issues with people dropping big rocks on cars and trucks from over passes, causing all sorts of destruction.

    I would say that country should:-
    - ban rocks
    - build a big fence on the overpass.

    Rocks and overpasses arent evil, the crazies throwing them are.
     
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    Apparently the need to keep their guns is more important than the freedoms they say they're defending.
     
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    I disagree. I believe that part of the problem is that people don't exist in a face to face world as much as we used to. If you limited social media it might force more face to face interaction so people can humanize people more. Some of the vile things said in this forum I would hope would not be said if the people were standing face to face and had to see each other all of the time.
     
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