EU Hits Back at Trump Tariffs

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  1. ronv

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    So you would like to slow it down by raising the price of goods we make for both home and abroad?
     
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    We tell them they get good stuff but we dont use our own weapon systems? You do realize that ruins our renomee in the international market?
     
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    In my state Thuringia we have not a single mosque, number of non germans is 1.4%. Of that 0.4% are muslims.

    I would not want in a country with 13% africans
     
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    Our tariff on SUV is 10%. You take 25%. I expect that you lower the tariff on german made SUV as well?
     
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    Yes, he will not put tariffs on us and we wont put higher tariffs on your products. We dont follow hostile behavior.
     
  6. Baff

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    The winners in the short term will be Americas domestic industry.

    In the long term, once those domestic industries have established a stronger customer base. Tariffs will be reduced.

    Consider loss leaders as a business practice. Once your competition has gone bust, you get all their business.

    Steel industry is in recession. Many will go bust.
     
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    It is no more pointless to single out Germany than it is for the EU to target tariffs at Trumps electoral base.
    Germany is very influential in the EU, it is also the easiest target.

    Germany however is not being singled out for these tariffs by nature of being German but simply by nature of being the biggest EU competition for US industries.
    America is targeting everyone in the world that competes with it and that exposes Germany more than any other EU country.

    Stop playing the victim. No one is targeting Germany.
    And no one much cares if Germany doesn't get to exploit their markets any longer either.
    They don't feel they owe Germany any such favours.

    Germany has taken the unhappy status quo for granted. Their mistake.

    The purpose of tariffs is to protect a vested interest.
    America's vested interest in this is the American steel industry, not the German steel industry.
    At no point does anyone else in the world favour German vested interests over their own. Not America, not the EU, not anyone.

    Now, you recognise that a trade war will be damaging to all sides and as a German you should recognise that a trade war will be the most damaging of all...to your side.

    There is nothing for you to win from raising tariffs against the US and much to lose.
    The EU is threatening to take you into a trade war with the US.
    You are not well prepared for one.

    So you need to change something. I suggest you change either EU policy or your shopping habits. Because whining at America for special consideration really isn't going to get you anywhere.
     
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  8. Steady Pie

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    Unfair competition - forever the enemy of every leftist and opponent of Capitalism.
     
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    Actually just the steel industry. In the short term this will probably cost more jobs then what it creates.

    There is an over production, it will depend on who can subsidize it the most.

    Sorry As the GOP once was : I am against the gov picking the winners and losers in the market. Trump/GOP/congress should stay as far away as possible in these economic matters. This always end badly when he gov intervenes.
     
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    Its not, because you don't understand how the EU works.

    Germany can just as easily export from Belgium or France then it does from Germany.


    I am not German and don't really care if tariffs are put onto them, it just isn't possible to single out 1 country in this way.


    And yes Germany is targeted because it is the most successful , as I already stated instead of trying to emulate the German successes the US wants to keep freeloading and trying to force the issue by taxing anyone doing better them they are.


    Again I am not German but no a trade war would be damaging to both sides. The EU as the US.

    The only winners would be those outside the trade war, US and EU would both loose in this.

    Its actually the reverse. Its clear trump is doing this for political reason. This is to please his base.

    He choose products where the EU doesn't really export that much to the US and products that aren't that easy to replace in the US itself (as a lot is very specific production that takes time to implement) , yet the EU can be very specific and pick and choose the best products it can raise tariffs on to support its own economy.

    No whining, trump can start a full on trade war. I actually hope he does it. Stock market needs to go down and it would be nice to see trump once more crash and burn when he tries something.


    And EU policy isn't going to change, just like trump the EU plays it political games as well. And they are a lot more secure in their position then trump is. A trade war will destroy his 2020 chances on re-election as the economy will tank and any benefits will be after 2020 to show up.
     
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    Sure. As long as we close the trade gap, everything is on the table!
     
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    Yawn.
    Yawn.
    The Euro is much weaker than the German Mark. They benefit from being under the cover of a manipulated currency.
    We are multi-tasking. Even as we close the trade balance, be assured that we hold the German People in the highest of esteem, in awe, actually.
    Free-loading? That word, I do not think it means what you think it means. All we are doing is adjusting the price that US consumers pay, through reciprocal taxation on goods from countries that running a trade imbalance. Actually they have the power here, they can find more US goods and services that they wish to buy, or we can simply reduce the amount of business we do together. We are open to whatever amount of business they want to do, as long as it is matched. The Free-ride on the US taxpayer is over. And may I point out that German Defense is in shambles, they currently do not have a SINGLE operational submarine. They have like 40 working tanks, IN THE ENTIRE NATION! But, hey, the Yanks will spill their blood for free!

    The Germans are smart people, hard working people, great craftsmen, I'm confident we will work this out.
    Yawn.
    Yawn.
    How horrible! Politicians actually do this? Be still my beating heart! Are you sure!
    Boring!
    Lions, Tigers, Bears, Oh My! For a guy that doesn't care very much, you sure are clearly visualizing a lot of disaster. And of course the Stock Market is going to go down, its in a massive bubble..
    Yawn.
    I'm surprised the EU has lasted this long.
     
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    Yeah, you guys quit whining about the steel and aluminum tariffs, and things will be fine. You are smart hardworking craftsmen, I'm confident you can handle that!
     
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    I think it is sad your companies obviously gave Up to reach our level.

    We dont whine. We are forced to Install counter strikes.
     
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    America can demand certificates of origin from any country it imports from.
    Just as it currently does from NAFTA members.

    If it chooses to target a single country, nothing can stop it.
    EU membership doesn't mean dick in this scenario. The taxes are applied in the USA. 100% beyond the EU's writ.

    In the specific case of Germany of course, it can just make an EU wide tariff.
    Germany still loses market share. And so do all it's allies who conspire with them.
    As well as all it's innocent allies who haven't.

    Trump can start a trade war but only the EU has suggested doing so. Trump hasn't.
    All Trump has done is laugh in the face of EU threats.

    The only products he has chosen to tariff more on are steel and aluminium. A pretty common tariff worldwide that even the EU itself imposes.
    EU wise this basically effects only the UK and Germany. Perhaps Sweden.

    What we can see here is a clear political will from the EU to try and **** Trump.
    In the event of them carrying through with a trade war, the US will not back down to bullying any more than the UK will.

    Germany will have to leave the EU.

    I also hope the EU starts a trade war with America because I would rather the EU learns this lesson from a fracas with America than from a fracas with my country which it intends to do the same to next year.
    I also am quite happy to see the EU self destruct. Saves us having to bomb it later on down the line.

    If they are this quick to start a trade war imagine what they will be like once they get an army in their clutches.
    It's not just bloody expensive wine Junckers is drunk on. It's power.

    Canada, Mexico and the UK have offered concessions to America to avoid being tarriffed on steel and aluminium. The EU, obsessed with it's own monopoly power has instead offered threats. Dick move.

    Their humiliation is imminent. This will be very funny to watch.
     
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    Actually they are americans most of them and have been here ever since we were a nation.
     
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    Your opinion. If you are looking for a fellow racist, you will not find it with me. But it seems to me that your own nation is having its own problems with muslims.
     
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    Depends. Eastern german states are free of this and we vote far right AfD.

    Evry problem has a solution. And best solutions are those which are lasting solutions. :)
     
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    And I hope it remains so, given the eastern part has not taken them in. But the other germany does.
     
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    No. :) Since we voted AfD into parliament all politics change. BAviaria wants speed deportations now, which is a good thing. We are at the beginning of a cleansing program.
     
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    Thanks, as you can tell I know little about your politics. When I think of germany I think of great beer and the country being very clean and well kept. And of course german engineering.
     
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    AfD became strongest oppossition party. In Bavaria the CSU has election this year and fears the AfD, because of that we now have a "patriotism ministry", speed deportations and stuff like that.

    You must imagine the impact...The AfD is a new party and got 90 seats. That means 90 system politicians lost their job.
     
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    Thanks for the info.
     
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    The same thing that's wrong with your's....political correctness. Except Boston was one incident, your country there are no go zones for cops where Shria Law is enforced.
     

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