Is compulsory military service immoral?

funny - just like it says in the Bible, all you need is the testimony of two people and if you bothered to read the books you'd get plenty of testifiers ~ that's more than enough for me

 

Well why don't we have this debate if or when we bring back the draft?

 

There's nothing more dangerous in a war than someone who doesn't want to be there. It puts soldiers that want to accomplish the mission at risk. Your childish attempts to insult me mean nothing.

 

You're risking this based on what scientific data? Hell we have a VOLUNTEER military now and we still have people that freak out in combat and endanger us. Why the **** am I going to add to that danger and draft kids who don't want to fight?

Let me ask you this. Do you know what a risk assessment is?

 

Actually you're 100% wrong, there's nothing more dangerous than war, it puts everyone involved at risk, soldiers and especially (usually unarmed and unprotected) innocent civilians, 1/3 of them children. Perhaps the soldiers ought to consider canceling the mission or better yet, the war and go home, that way no one is at risk. What do you say hero?

http://www.tvnewslies.org/tvnl/inde...e-should-stop-thanking-them-for-doing-so.html

Says the child who insults everyone who doesn't want to be in the military to murder people or get killed trying, by insinuating they're cowards. Have you grown the nuts to answer any of my questions yet?

 

Well it can be good and it can be bad..Depends on the individual...

 

A risk assessment in the military is deciding if it's a chick of dude before making a move...

 

LOL what a ridiculous thing to say. Of course, if you want to be Mr. Literal. lol

We're already TALKING about the war!

And the soldiers don't make the rules on where we're sent. That lies in the hands of our government's 'finest'. "Needs of the Army". Google that.

Now what is this question you need answered? You keep whining about some question.

 

As I have said before, we do not need the draft - after all, this is a nation of professing Christians and it plainly says in the Bible that any such nation only needs 300 soldiers in order to win a war.

 

If it's literal then you're contradicting yourself and there's nothing ridiculous about what I posted. Perhaps you believe the murder of innocent civilians is a "ridiculous thing to say"?

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about, war. Are you paying attention or just playing dumb?

What "government's 'finest'"? The one that uses kids as fodder for the immense profits of war profiteers? If a soldier doesn't like rules he/she should not have joined the military. If a soldier is just following orders like an automaton, he/she is liable for any and all war crimes committed.

Principle IV

The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him.

http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/meiklejohn/meik-peacelaw/meik-peacelaw-10.html

When a person voluntarily decides to join the military, he/she is making a moral choice, n'est pas hero?

The same ones I first asked you 6 months ago and pointed to multiple times that you keep ducking. The same ones I said you will never answer because it would be too confusing for you and contradict your mindset. You don't need to play dumb, you know very well what I'm referring to. Just scan through your "50 notifications a day".

 

This comment is so pointless it hurts my brain. The volunteer enlistment or commission is a signed contract forfeiting most of your right to choice. So yes, you go where you're ordered.

And you definitely did not google what I asked you to.

What is this question you continuously keep having a temper tantrum over? Got the sack to just ask it?

 

That's understandable.

And therefore one has made a moral choice. Is there something you didn't understand about that?

And you're absolutely right, I don't care about the "needs of the Army", it has zero to do with what I'm talking about (other than the kids being used as fodder).

Post #82 pointing to the original questions.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...le-come-to-a-logical-conclusion.527793/page-5

Got the sack to provide any legitimate answers?

 

Figures you didn't google. You get so whiney when you read stuff you don't like.

1. the nutbag I'm referencing is post 225 in your NIST conspiracy thread Dr. Leroy Hulsey. He also stated in WTC7evaluation.org that there is no possible way the steel would bend at such temperatures!
2. I addressed your questions DIRECTLY in that thread, you just kept altering the question when I responded with something that hurt your little feelings

 

Well we do not have the draft.

 

Why all the fuss? We don't have a draft. If it is ever enacted again then we can get into all this.

 

Two things.
1. I asked if you knew what a risk assessment is. What is the risk of having draftees vs. 100% volunteer? Feel free to categorize your risk assessment STR as mandated
2. This is a thread about compulsory service being moral. If you can't rack your brain to respond rationally to people who feel differently from you, why the **** are you here? If your view truly is "we don't have a draft, we can get into this later" then you have no business on this thread. Troll elsewhere

 

Correct.

So what does the above question have to do with the morality of compulsory service?

 

The best way to insure that we never have a draft again is to use that very same Bible that so many deluded far right pundits claim to believe in. They always claim to live by the Bible - now it's time to call them out on their so called principles.

That very same Bible says, only 300 soldiers are needed in order to win a war - we have FAR more than that number already:

• Therefore, send any amount over 300 back home where they belong.

• Dissolve the worthless and treasonous military industrial complex.

• Live by the notion of ''blessed are the PEACE makers", not the warmongers.

• No more foreign interventionism.

• Worship the Prince of Peace with your actions rather than with words.




This forum is filled with right wing Christian professing pundits - let's see each of you agree with every point I made here and call out the warmongers just like I did. Any of you right wingers who fails to do so is a Pharisee and antichrist (just like it says in your Bible).

 

Is it moral to force people to fight in a war? No, I believe that's slavery

 

I agree and also that war itself is immoral but how does that correlate to your question about risk? Risk isn't part of this discussion, morality is.

 

Troll on. I was responding to a comment about the risk of draftees vs. volunteer. You know that.

 

I don't think it matters in america really, morality here is just something to bludgeon opponents with, not a concept we apply to ourselves. Anyway, america leverages it's military for nothing but amoral adventures that have nothing at all to do with national defense, WWII was our last legit outing.

 

Wrong. Moving into Afghanistan was absolutely the right response. However, once we utterly destroyed them by 2002, we should have pulled out.

 

I know, that's why I asked you what it has to do with the subject of this thread, which is about MORALITY. And your only answer so far is the same as it always is, non existent and that I'm trolling. You took a poster to task because his post was off topic (which I agree it was) but used an equally off topic question to do so. You are being a hypocrite.

 

You are trolling.
1. I was not speaking to you
2. I responded to the poster's comment

Posts will always stray from the topic as discussion goes deeper and deeper. It's about RELEVANCE. Not every post has to address the OP. Since that's your belief, you need to READ THE RULES of this forum.

Glad I was able to clear up your confusion.