Mueller probing Russia contacts at Republican convention

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  1. TomFitz

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    The Mueller probe has already exposed multiple Trump campaign officials for both unusual and almost routine contact with Russian political operatives, and even more numerous attemts to lie about these contact and cover them up.

    The Mueller probe has also publicly demonstrated that if the Trump campaign was not colluding with the Russians, it wasn't for lack of trying.

    The Mueller probe has also ended the right wing denial of Russian attempts to influence American elections and American politics by covert means, as well. (an effort that many people on this very forum fell for).
     
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    There are a few embedded in the Circa link. You can visit my profile and check threads I've poste covering Muellers covert "oppo research", and FISA abuses by NSA / FBI / Obama. Sure you'll find you replied to every thread. You're habitual. ::):
     
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    You're one of the biggest Trump apologists on this forum.

    Oh, and by what manner of clarvoyance could "Obama" have warned the DNC that they were about to be hacked.

    This is about the third time you've made similar claims on this thread, and you have yet to document even a single one of them.
     
  4. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nothing would bring about an impeachment proceeding faster than that.
     
  5. PrincipleInvestment

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    You feel like I should devote all of my attention to your whims? That I'm appealing to you? Personally? :confuse: That's some ego you have there fella. Links only get meth with ad homs ... I know where your at with Russian collusion ... and that you're out in left field long term.
     
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    I put up a link. The FBI notified the DNC they had BEEN hacked, and the DNC proceeded to author 20,000 of the 27,500 stolen after being notified, and after hiring theit IT experts Crowdstrike.
     
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    I "feel" that if you're going to make inflammatory claims...you should be able to document them.

    You don't seem to be able to do that
     
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    Which link was that and why is that an indictment of Obama if it's even accurate?
     
  9. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Now I've heard everything. Obama sabotaged the DNC in a calculated way! Hilarious. Your linked article says the DNC knew it had been hacked but allowed yet written e-mails to be exposed, absurd on it's face. The foundation for most of The Following's beliefs are built on a pile of lies.

    "DNC leaders were tipped to the hack in late April. Chief executive officer Amy Dacey got a call from her operations chief saying that their information technology team had noticed some unusual network activity.

    “It’s never a call any executive wants to get, but the IT team knew something was awry,” Dacey said. And they knew it was serious enough that they wanted experts to investigate.

    That evening, she spoke with Michael Sussmann, a DNC lawyer who is a partner with Perkins Coie in Washington. Soon after, Sussmann, a former federal prosecutor who handled computer crime cases, called Henry, whom he has known for many years.

    Within 24 hours, CrowdStrike had installed software on the DNC’s computers so that it could analyse audit data that could indicate who had gained access, when and how.

    The firm identified two separate hacker groups, both working for the Russian government, that had infiltrated the network, said Dmitri Alperovitch, CrowdStrike co-founder and chief technology officer. The firm had analysed other breaches by both groups over the last two years."

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...r-opposition-research-on-donald-a7082136.html
     
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    No, I don't. Nor do I expect you to.

    You make blanket statements and then run away or make snarky comments like this one when challenged to prove what you claim.

    The fact that you refuse to do so, and try to hide that fact with personal deflections is a reflection on you, not me.

    Where I am with Russian collusion is fact based. I have made that very clear.

    And I have no trouble documenting any claims I may make, something that you can't do.
     
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    "The Following's beliefs are built on a pile of lies. "

    That's pretty much where we are with these people. In the rare instances that they do try and support their claims, the "source" is almost always a right wing blog, a video out of context or out of date, or something made up altogether. We see all three on this very thread.

    They are so far out to lunch that most of them can't even keep the basic facts of the emerging case straight, and most of them have not even attempted to view the attempts in any sort of timeline.

    The case is all the more damning when looked at that way, too.
     
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    You've identified the seriously dangerous circumstance we find ourselves in these days. Conservatives feel emboldened to hold on to their beliefs because they are reinforced by the media sources they rely on.........ones that have constructed a narrative built on "alternate facts" which is nothing more than a euphemism for factually incorrect info.
     
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    The link does not support your claim.)

    You claim that Congress warned Obama about Russian meddling in 2014, and then go on to claim that he should have warned the DNC that it was about to be hacked based on this claim.

    Of course, you can't document either claim, nor do they appear to make any sense. (one wonders if "congress" "warned" the RNC).

    Ridiculousor and Ridiculousor!
     
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    That's pretty much where we are. Our friend PI relies on Sinclair Broadcasting for his "news".

    You can't get a job there unless you're a rabid right winger, and they have a long history of promoting fake right wing memes and disguising them as news. I know people who work there. All you have to do is express the slightest bit of doubt about the party line, and you're off the payroll!
     
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    Mueller probing Russia contacts at Republican convention

    I await with baited breath......
     
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    You have a theory but haven't proven anything. Flynn was not charged with violating the Logan Act.

    The FBI, and Comey, originally claimed Flynn did nothing wrong and were reportedly surprised that he was charged.

    The only crime, a felony, was Flynn's name being leaked.

    Maybe we should charge Obama for the same thing for flying around shadowing the actual POTUS with world leaders.
     
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    Of course it's normal. Clearly the Clinton campaign lied about their dealings with foreign sources in the development of the dossier.

    Obama is running around right now having closed door meetings with world leaders.
     
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    Yeah, yeah, yeah,you guys throw that word around but I don't think any of you understand how it works. Your fanatical hatred of Trump is not grounds for impeachment. Hoping Mueller's ever changing fishing expedition will turn up something is all you got, pathetic.
     
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    What were the lies?
     
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    Oh, who are they and why aren't they in jail?
    Oh, and what did they do to try?
    News to me, would you mind providing something to substantiate this?
     
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    The press has no fricking ethics.
     
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    There is no evidence whatsoever that the Clinton campaign lied about this at all. They employed Fusion GPS via Perkins Coie. That has always been the case, and was always well known. Opposition research is not only not a crime, but it is common practice. After all Fusion had gone arould assembling a dossier on Trump for the Washington Free Beacon, and once their client backed out, they wanted to sell it to someone.

    Not that that has anything at all to do with active and almost routine communications between high officials of the Trump campaign and Russians known to be operatives of the intelligence services, or close to Putin, or both.
     
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    Several of them are going to wind up in jail. We're waiting for Mueller to finish fleshing out the case.

    "Oh, and what did they do to try?"

    You seem to be unaware of the Donald Trump Jr meeting with a Russian operative that claimed to have dirt in Hillary Clinton, or the prior discussions with Popadopolous in which the Russians informed them that they had the DNC e-mails (refuting the right wing line that Assange wasn't a Russian useful idiot)? Jared Kushner was certainly anxious to keep things going after the election too, plotting on two occassions to set up secret back channel communications between Russian intelligence and the White House.
     
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    That's not proof if it was Trump would have already been removed from office. Your've mistaken the left's **** stirring for hard evidence.
     
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    Sorry, but you were trying to maintain the claim that the Trump campaign didn't try or welcome collusion with the Russians.

    I pointed out only the most obvious and documented examples where they did.

    There are more. And, no, don't bother pretending that these things didn't happen, or that they are not, in fact documented.

    The only missing link is whether Trump was directly involved, or whether it was run through Roger Stone, which appears (and always has appeared) to be the most likely explanation.
     

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